China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Blackstone]

Nope since it's not disputed, ask anyone out side of mainland china and Taiwan or look into a map published by the UN or better yet a map published by CPC before the 70's, they all say it's Japan sovereign territory.
Get you head out of the sand and smell the coffee no nation beside PRC and Taiwan acknowledges your claim that it is.

The United States believes it's disputed area, that's why its official position is while Japan is currently administering the Diaoyu islands, it takes no sides in the sovereignty argument. In addition, no ally of the US, other than Japan and Taiwan (from opposite ends), has challenged US on that position. The bottom line is Japan is the outlier on lack of dispute over Diaoyu.

 

[Equation]

lol, they liked the idea. But together with Taiwan, not PRC. When PRC smelled money (resources) on the bottom of the sea they started claiming it was theirs out of the blue in 1972...Don't drink and post...Jesus, again that childish argument that 'US does violate international laws as well' crap. So what? US isn't perfect, there are books and TV shows about that all the time and it doesn't make PRC any more beautiful as well...

The bottom line why are the US in your view the exception? Nothing "childish" about it.

 

[tidalwave]

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US and Philippines "shoulder to shoulder" miliary drill involves A10 ground assault plane and Himarx Rocket launcher which geared destroy wide area (reclaimed island)

Looks like PLA need some short range Ballistic missile or WS3 long range rocket launcher to counter this.

 

[joshuatree]

The United States believes it's disputed area, that's why its official position is while Japan is currently administering the Diaoyu islands, it takes no sides in the sovereignty argument. In addition, no ally of the US, other than Japan and Taiwan (from opposite ends), has challenged US on that position. The bottom line is Japan is the outlier on lack of dispute over Diaoyu.

Concur, the US did not hand Okinawa back to Japan to administer. It's an outright revert sovereignty to Japan. On the other hand, Diaoyu was simply tasked to Japan to administer. No need for this nuance if the US believes there is no dispute.

There is no nation to my knowledge that has outright acknowledged Japan's ownership of Diaoyu except Japan's self proclamations.

All this talk about logic is rather hollow when Japan "annexed" those features right in the middle of aggression - First Sino-Japanese War. And the end of WW2 along with Cairo Declaration and Potsdam declaration stipulates Japan to relinquish its ill gotten gains from aggression. Japan itself reaffirmed adhering to those instruments in its Treaty of Friendship with China.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

The United States believes it's disputed area, that's why its official position is while Japan is currently administering the Diaoyu islands, it takes no sides in the sovereignty argument. In addition, no ally of the US, other than Japan and Taiwan (from opposite ends), has challenged US on that position. The bottom line is Japan is the outlier on lack of dispute over Diaoyu.

Concur, the US did not hand Okinawa back to Japan to administer. It's an outright revert sovereignty to Japan. On the other hand, Diaoyu was simply tasked to Japan to administer. No need for this nuance if the US believes there is no dispute.

There is no nation to my knowledge that has outright acknowledged Japan's ownership of Diaoyu except Japan's self proclamations.

All this talk about logic is rather hollow when Japan "annexed" those features right in the middle of aggression - First Sino-Japanese War. And the end of WW2 along with Cairo Declaration and Potsdam declaration stipulates Japan to relinquish its ill gotten gains from aggression. Japan itself reaffirmed adhering to those instruments in its Treaty of Friendship with China.

Nope, the US is not intervening since it has nothing to do with them directly.
Their position is and always has been Japan's sovereignty over Senkaku as been written and reconfirmed within the San Francisco Peace treaty as one of the 40 signatory nations.
It's not about being allies, it's about past treaties that had been ratified and accepted without force. Same goes with the Northern Territories, that is why the Soviets and now Russia admits there is dispute and are will to negotiate.

 

[joshuatree]

Nope, the US is not intervening since it has nothing to do with them directly.
Their position is and always has been Japan's sovereignty over Senkaku as been written and reconfirmed within the San Francisco Peace treaty as one of the 40 signatory nations.
It's not about being allies, it's about past treaties that had been ratified and accepted without force. Same goes with the Northern Territories, that is why the Soviets and now Russia admits there is dispute and are will to negotiate.

There is nothing in the SFP that states Japan has sovereignty over Diaoyu. More than happy to read that section if you like to point it out.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

There is nothing in the SFP that states Japan has sovereignty over Diaoyu. More than happy to read that section if you like to point it out.

Actually it does since they have not ask Japan to relinquish it the same way as Taiwan and counted it as connection to the Okinawa island chains.

San Francisco Peace Treaty

Article 3

Japan will concur in any proposal of the United States to the United Nations to place under its trusteeship system, with the United States as the sole administering authority, Nansei Shoto south of 29deg. north latitude (including the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands), Nanpo Shoto south of Sofu Gan (including the Bonin Islands, Rosario Island and the Volcano Islands) and Parece Vela and Marcus Island. Pending the making of such a proposal and affirmative action thereon, the United States will have the right to exercise all and any powers of administration, legislation and jurisdiction over the territory and inhabitants of these islands, including their territorial waters.

 

[Blackstone]

Nope, the US is not intervening since it has nothing to do with them directly.
Their position is and always has been Japan's sovereignty over Senkaku as been written and reconfirmed within the San Francisco Peace treaty as one of the 40 signatory nations.
It's not about being allies, it's about past treaties that had been ratified and accepted without force. Same goes with the Northern Territories, that is why the Soviets and now Russia admits there is dispute and are will to negotiate.

You're free to hold your own opinions, but not your own facts. The article below shows clearly US believes there's a dispute between China and Japan over Diaoyu islands, and although US would defend Japan if attacked, it takes no position on who owns the island. A hypocratic position to be sure, since it already said Diaoyu was part of Taiwan (I linked that State Department document to you awhile ago), but that's Washington for you.

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“We don’t take a position on final sovereignty on the Senkakus but historically they’ve been administered by Japan and should not be subject to change unilaterally.

“My hope is that Chinese will continue to engage with the US and other countries. We don’t take a position on this piece of land or this piece of rock but we do take a position on the peaceful resolution of these disputes.”

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[SamuraiBlue]

You're free to hold your own opinions, but not your own facts. The article below shows clearly US believes there's a dispute between China and Japan over Diaoyu islands, and although US would defend Japan if attacked, it takes no position on who owns the island. A hypocratic position to be sure, since it already said Diaoyu was part of Taiwan (I linked that State Department document to you awhile ago), but that's Washington for you.

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Well then he is ignorant of the fact what treaties his nation signed to and what is written within them.

 

[Blackstone]

Well then he is ignorant of the fact what treaties his nation signed to and what is written within them.

Whether US State Department is ignorant of fact or not, the official policy of the United States is Diaoyu sovereignty is under dispute.