China's SCS Strategy Thread

manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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KFX said:
Huh?
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Huh? What happened? You came here not knowing shit again? Confused? LMFAO
KFX said:
They had the J-27A. Newer set.
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No, mid-2000's. Maybe you need to not be ignorant when you talk. And even if it were new, you cannot buy 3 of them, no support, no network and expect them to defend you.
KFX said:
As for Pakistan/India, the Indian air force was able to do some serious damage against Pakistani bases towards the end of the skirmish, neutralising Chinese air defense gear.
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Pakistan could afford far less interceptors than they needed and far less fighters than the IAF, but the ground missile game fought to a near draw with both sides striking each others' bases while it was a complete wash in the air by the PAF. And they did this with Chinese gear and a far far smaller budget than India could muster for its military spending on Western weapons.
KFX said:
Chinese gear looks cool on paper and at Zhuhai, but it's all propaganda. China's bark is far worse than its bite.
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You have China mixed up with the West. The Rafales sold to India were several times more expensive than the J-10C that killed them or the JF-17 that jammed them. American missile interceptors in Israel got the country lit on fire begging for external aid despite hitting Iran with everything they had plus sabotage. F-35 pilots were so badly shaken when they went to joust with China's J-15 in the South China Sea that they actually lost a jet skidding off the carrier runway on return. Western systems are expensive and ineffective unless they have an overwhelming numbers and logistics advantage like USA vs Iraq or Venezuela.

Some good reading for you on the quality and maintenance of American weapons:

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another505

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You can actually see how shit and propaganda Western media can be about anything Chinese. They followed some twitter saying it is JY-27A when in fact it is the JY-27 base model from 2000s. There's no fact check or anything. Spread everywhere to even widely regarded "reputable" media. It is a mixture of clickbait headlines, USAID or whatever the current propaganda arm is, incompetence and/or straight up laziness to verify.
 
manqiangrexue

manqiangrexue

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another505 said:
You can actually see how shit and propaganda Western media can be about anything Chinese. They followed some twitter saying it is JY-27A when in fact it is the JY-27 base model from 2000s. There's no fact check or anything. Spread everywhere to even widely regarded "reputable" media. It is a mixture of clickbait headlines, USAID or whatever the current propaganda arm is, incompetence and/or straight up laziness to verify.
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Puahahaha, that's the smallest bit of propaganda I've seen come out of the US. I could accept that as a typo the way they're fuggin' up. Western media disinformation is like, "China paid us $17 trillion dollars in tariffs this year." "Russia lost 6 million soldiers in Ukraine and the rest are eating each other to survive... but they'll also enslave all of Europe unless we get ready for a war of mass attrition."
 
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supersnoop

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another505 said:
You can actually see how shit and propaganda Western media can be about anything Chinese. They followed some twitter saying it is JY-27A when in fact it is the JY-27 base model from 2000s. There's no fact check or anything. Spread everywhere to even widely regarded "reputable" media. It is a mixture of clickbait headlines, USAID or whatever the current propaganda arm is, incompetence and/or straight up laziness to verify.
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The most annoying thing to me is that even if it was the newest radar purchased last month, that does not constitute a “Chinese air defense system”. Where is the HQ-9 or 22? Where is the HQ-17? Where is the FK-2000? There is literally nothing to form a “system” other than foreign missiles from Russia which means questionable integration. This is just common sense.
 
zbb

zbb

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manqiangrexue said:
The Chinese radars were: 1. 20 years old 2. not turned on 3. not in an integrated detection and kill chain like Pakistan had made 4. badly outnumbered. None of these applies to China's force in Asia and the US military knows that or they wouldn't be panick-committing to a $1.5 trillion military budget next year. Given these facts, the rest of your junk falls apart.
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Should also add that while Venezuela had 3 sets of outdated Chinese radars, it also had 10+ sets of US radars.
 
siegecrossbow

siegecrossbow

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KFX said:
China has to be careful. The US is well aware that the PLA is optimised for striking within the First Island Chain.

As for the SCS, given the utter failure of Chinese air defence equipment in the recent Venezuela operation, the PLA's fortified islands in the SCS are not so much bastions of strength as pockets of extreme vulnerability. China, as a land empire, is fixated on controlling territory, and will squander significant resources defending these isolated bits of artificial land in the SCS.

As for the atolls themselves, they are susceptible to attack given that their defenses, however impressive on paper, probably don't work nearly as well as advertised. Once their air defenses are eliminated, then it's a small matter to knock out their power generation and water supply. In a conflict, the USMC is all but certain to seize them and use them to deter Chinese naval forces in the SCS.
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Guess we’ll find out how to potent Danish F-35/Air defense is before the year is out.

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Heresy

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KFX said:
Huh? They had the J-27A. Newer set. As for Pakistan/India, the Indian air force was able to do some serious damage against Pakistani bases towards the end of the skirmish, neutralising Chinese air defense gear. Chinese gear looks cool on paper and at Zhuhai, but it's all propaganda. China's bark is far worse than its bite.
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You know, it's one thing to act like a libshit with your opinions, but it's quite another to be actively engaging in spreading misinformation and lying. For a supposed journalist, you sure do seem to have a weak grasp on basic journalistic ethics.

@siegecrossbow @Blitzo @Deino there ought to be some sort of penalties for engaging in deliberate lying, trolling and spreading of misinformation, no? I thought we're holding ourselves to a higher standard here at SDF?
 
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