China's SCS Strategy Thread


ansy1968

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@Bellum_Romanum bro Like I said the Oligarchs are a major obstacle to our progress and China will never coopted them because it's antithesis to their values and belief. So we need another Duterte to take the fight ,not BBM BUT his VP. ;)

Bongbong can take a lesson from Chinese ambassador​


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October 29, 2022



THE lesson is from the elaboration made by Huang Xilian, China's ambassador to Philippines, at the Pandesal Forum of the 83-year-old Kamuning Bakery Café last Tuesday. The ambassador reiterated the significance of the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC), pointing out the mandate for "comrade" Xi Jinping to continue to serve as the general secretary of the CPC central committee. According to Huang, Xi delivered an important report summarizing the major achievements of the Chinese people led by the CPC in the last five years and the historical achievements and reforms of the party and the State in the past 10 years.
"The past 10 years marked three major historical achievements: We embraced the centenary of the CPC; we ushered in a new era of socialism with Chinese characteristics; and we eradicated absolute poverty in all respects, thus completing the first centenary goal," said Huang in his speech.
Second centenary goal for China
He then proceeded to quote from Xi Jinping's speech at the congress: "From this day forward, the central task of the CPC will be to lead the Chinese people of all ethnic groups in a concerted effort to realize the Second Centenary Goal of building China into a great modern socialist country in all respects and to advance the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation on all fronts through a Chinese path to modernization."
The glowing accomplishments of the CPC, making up most of Huang's speech at the forum, were cited as paradigms for further enriching China-Philippines friendship and cooperation. And if President Marcos were to size up Ambassador Huang's words in context, for the Philippines to modernize the way China has done, he necessarily must socialize the Philippine economy. Will he do it?



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Huang said: "In his first State of the Nation Address (SONA), President Marcos specifically put forward the goals and measures to realize the modernization of the Philippines. We believe that China and the Philippines can learn from each other, and the Philippines can also draw wisdom and courage from the innovative practice and theories of the Chinese modernization and put the development of the country and the nation on the basis of its own strength. We must firmly grasp the destiny of development and progress in our own hands and take the path of modernization that suits our own national conditions."
Key areas for cooperation
What struck the full-packed audience as most significant in the ambassador's assertions is that "China is the Philippines' largest trading partner and a major source of foreign capital. In the future, we will focus on the new development pattern of dual circulation, continue to open up the country, boost trade and encourage more Chinese companies to make the Philippines their first investment destination. Philippine companies are also welcome to fully tap the potential of China as a global supermarket."
Areas perceived by Ambassador Huang as foremost key in Philippine-China cooperation are "agriculture, infrastructure, energy and humanities."

Basically, what the ambassador was picturing was a trade relationship between China and the Philippines. And such a trade relationship is only between China and the overlords of the Philippine economy, notably the oligarchs that control the industries together with medium-sized entrepreneurs who do their own exploitative practices against the masses of Filipino consumers. No matter how sincere China may be in helping the Philippines prosper, such prosperity cannot redound to the Filipino masses but only to the entrepreneurs. As early as my college days, I had this infantile grasp of the nature of trade, that it is a relationship in which the producer must exploit the consumer to gain profit for his produce. Poverty of the great masses of the people is the lifeblood of trade. To solve people's poverty, therefore, trade must be stopped. There must, instead, be a system of providing Filipinos the necessities of living not as a private enterprise for generating private profit but rather as a function of the state for the delivery of social services. That, simply, stated is socialism.
What Ambassador Huang elucidated at the Pandesal Forum was Philippines-China relations in a set-up where the former is not socialized. As far as the Filipino people are concerned, can such a relationship be fair? Obviously, no. No matter how sincere and huge China's assistance in Philippine development is, so long as the oligarchs and entrepreneurs are in control of the Philippine economy, the benefits from such assistance can only redound to the oligarchs and entrepreneurs; the Filipino people stay impoverished.
The ultimate lesson

No doubt that for the Philippines to progress, it may emulate the practice of China at socioeconomic development. But this is easier said than done. Carried to its logical conclusion, this proposition would bring the Philippines to an equal footing with China in macroeconomic relations in the world. In other words, can the Philippines compete with China worldwide? Tall order, if we are talking in immediate terms. Nor even in the long term could the Philippines ever hope to be at par with China. Why? Simply because in trade, only one aspect can be the producer and only one can be the consumer. The poverty of the Philippines is a condition for the affluence of world producers. At first glance, China appears to be lumped with these world producers. But as Huang elaborated it in his speech, China is sincere in endeavoring to achieve shared prosperity with neighbors in the Asean region.
"Asia is where we live and thrive. With the joint efforts of countries in the region, today's Asia has become a highland of development and a hot spot for cooperation. As many insightful people in the Philippines have realized, we are currently living in the 'Asian Century,' and the focus of global economic development has shifted to Asia. This also proves once again that the future of the Philippines is rooted in its own national construction and development, in the surrounding environment of good neighborliness and friendship, and in the Asian family of peace, stability and common prosperity."
This then is the ultimate lesson Bongbong may choose to learn from the recent congress of the Communist Party of China. Let the Philippines stand first on its own two feet, stay firm at self-reliance until capable of proclaiming its parity with anyone in the world. Did he not proclaim once upon a time to fill in his father's shoes? Time to do it now. Like his father did, launch a thorough, sustained and determined cultural revolution aimed at inculcating upon the Filipinos the virtues of nationalism, self-help and sacrifice, virtues necessary if the nation is to survive on its own.
May bagong silang
May bago nang buhay
Bagong bansa
Bagong galaw
Sa Bagong Lipunan

The father Marcos may have sang it too early too soon. The time to sing it to its fullest resonance is, by the son — now.
Rest assured that China is always there to lend a helping hand. Take it from Ambassador Huang: "We have reason to believe that Chinese modernization will create new opportunities for the new 'Golden Era' of China-Philippines relations. Let us work together to create a brighter future for China-Philippines relations
 

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The United States has proposed adding more EDCA sites to the current five “to deepen our work together,” the U.S. official said, adding that Washington has allocated $82 million to complete 21 projects on the five existing locations.
Last week, Philippine military chief Bartolome Bacarro said the United States had proposed including five more bases in the EDCA, including one in Palawan.
 

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This is more annoying rather than threatening. Anything in phillipines is inherently unsurvivable in a high intensity warfare. Even so, china should put pressure on Filipino govt to not allow this.
Sir, SCS issue is finished, it had become a Chinese lake. For proof Vietnam sign a pledge to manage dispute in the area, IF Vietnam can do it why can't we, So what's the hullabahoos is all about. ;) For the Americans The Philippine under Marcos are wavering on its commitment, so they sent a high power delegation to push its agenda, does it work? building bases and all are all optics and noises ,IF shit hit the fan you will see Marcos cancelling the VFA. It's against our constitution to allow any foreign power to have a military base in our country especially IF that foreign country had a nuclear capability.

For some of us Filipinos we can read the Tea leaves, ASEAN is tilting toward China and American desperation will only accelerate the trend, the reason, We want to trade among ourselves without outside interloper intervening. Now that cause is worth fighting for.

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Nov 2, 2022 — Beijing and Hanoi "agreed to properly handle maritime issues and contribute to long-term peace and stability in the region", the readout said.
 
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Facm337

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Anyone familiar with Malaysian politics can comment on what their foreign policy would be like after the recent general election? Looks like Anwar Ibrahim will be the new leader.
 

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@Bellum_Romanum bro Like I said the Oligarchs are a major obstacle to our progress and China will never coopted them because it's antithesis to their values and belief. So we need another Duterte to take the fight ,not BBM BUT his VP. ;)

Bongbong can take a lesson from Chinese ambassador​


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October 29, 2022



THE lesson is from the elaboration made by Huang Xilian, China's ambassador to Philippines, at the Pandesal Forum of the 83-year-old Kamuning Bakery Café last Tuesday. The ambassador reiterated the significance of the 20th National Congress of the Communist Party of China (CPC), pointing out the mandate for "comrade" Xi Jinping to continue to serve as the general secretary of the CPC central committee. According to Huang, Xi delivered an important report summarizing the major achievements of the Chinese people led by the CPC in the last five years and the historical achievements and reforms of the party and the State in the past 10 years.
"The past 10 years marked three major historical achievements: We embraced the centenary of the CPC; we ushered in a new era of socialism with Chinese characteristics; and we eradicated absolute poverty in all respects, thus completing the first centenary goal," said Huang in his speech.
Second centenary goal for China
He then proceeded to quote from Xi Jinping's speech at the congress: "From this day forward, the central task of the CPC will be to lead the Chinese people of all ethnic groups in a concerted effort to realize the Second Centenary Goal of building China into a great modern socialist country in all respects and to advance the rejuvenation of the Chinese nation on all fronts through a Chinese path to modernization."
The glowing accomplishments of the CPC, making up most of Huang's speech at the forum, were cited as paradigms for further enriching China-Philippines friendship and cooperation. And if President Marcos were to size up Ambassador Huang's words in context, for the Philippines to modernize the way China has done, he necessarily must socialize the Philippine economy. Will he do it?



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Huang said: "In his first State of the Nation Address (SONA), President Marcos specifically put forward the goals and measures to realize the modernization of the Philippines. We believe that China and the Philippines can learn from each other, and the Philippines can also draw wisdom and courage from the innovative practice and theories of the Chinese modernization and put the development of the country and the nation on the basis of its own strength. We must firmly grasp the destiny of development and progress in our own hands and take the path of modernization that suits our own national conditions."
Key areas for cooperation
What struck the full-packed audience as most significant in the ambassador's assertions is that "China is the Philippines' largest trading partner and a major source of foreign capital. In the future, we will focus on the new development pattern of dual circulation, continue to open up the country, boost trade and encourage more Chinese companies to make the Philippines their first investment destination. Philippine companies are also welcome to fully tap the potential of China as a global supermarket."
Areas perceived by Ambassador Huang as foremost key in Philippine-China cooperation are "agriculture, infrastructure, energy and humanities."

Basically, what the ambassador was picturing was a trade relationship between China and the Philippines. And such a trade relationship is only between China and the overlords of the Philippine economy, notably the oligarchs that control the industries together with medium-sized entrepreneurs who do their own exploitative practices against the masses of Filipino consumers. No matter how sincere China may be in helping the Philippines prosper, such prosperity cannot redound to the Filipino masses but only to the entrepreneurs. As early as my college days, I had this infantile grasp of the nature of trade, that it is a relationship in which the producer must exploit the consumer to gain profit for his produce. Poverty of the great masses of the people is the lifeblood of trade. To solve people's poverty, therefore, trade must be stopped. There must, instead, be a system of providing Filipinos the necessities of living not as a private enterprise for generating private profit but rather as a function of the state for the delivery of social services. That, simply, stated is socialism.
What Ambassador Huang elucidated at the Pandesal Forum was Philippines-China relations in a set-up where the former is not socialized. As far as the Filipino people are concerned, can such a relationship be fair? Obviously, no. No matter how sincere and huge China's assistance in Philippine development is, so long as the oligarchs and entrepreneurs are in control of the Philippine economy, the benefits from such assistance can only redound to the oligarchs and entrepreneurs; the Filipino people stay impoverished.
The ultimate lesson

No doubt that for the Philippines to progress, it may emulate the practice of China at socioeconomic development. But this is easier said than done. Carried to its logical conclusion, this proposition would bring the Philippines to an equal footing with China in macroeconomic relations in the world. In other words, can the Philippines compete with China worldwide? Tall order, if we are talking in immediate terms. Nor even in the long term could the Philippines ever hope to be at par with China. Why? Simply because in trade, only one aspect can be the producer and only one can be the consumer. The poverty of the Philippines is a condition for the affluence of world producers. At first glance, China appears to be lumped with these world producers. But as Huang elaborated it in his speech, China is sincere in endeavoring to achieve shared prosperity with neighbors in the Asean region.
"Asia is where we live and thrive. With the joint efforts of countries in the region, today's Asia has become a highland of development and a hot spot for cooperation. As many insightful people in the Philippines have realized, we are currently living in the 'Asian Century,' and the focus of global economic development has shifted to Asia. This also proves once again that the future of the Philippines is rooted in its own national construction and development, in the surrounding environment of good neighborliness and friendship, and in the Asian family of peace, stability and common prosperity."
This then is the ultimate lesson Bongbong may choose to learn from the recent congress of the Communist Party of China. Let the Philippines stand first on its own two feet, stay firm at self-reliance until capable of proclaiming its parity with anyone in the world. Did he not proclaim once upon a time to fill in his father's shoes? Time to do it now. Like his father did, launch a thorough, sustained and determined cultural revolution aimed at inculcating upon the Filipinos the virtues of nationalism, self-help and sacrifice, virtues necessary if the nation is to survive on its own.
May bagong silang
May bago nang buhay
Bagong bansa
Bagong galaw
Sa Bagong Lipunan

The father Marcos may have sang it too early too soon. The time to sing it to its fullest resonance is, by the son — now.
Rest assured that China is always there to lend a helping hand. Take it from Ambassador Huang: "We have reason to believe that Chinese modernization will create new opportunities for the new 'Golden Era' of China-Philippines relations. Let us work together to create a brighter future for China-Philippines relations
This article is stupid. China is doing its best offering trade. Now they want China to start a socialist revolution for them too?
 

ansy1968

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This article is stupid. China is doing its best offering trade. Now they want China to start a socialist revolution for them too?
Bro what he's implying IF China want the Philippine to TOTALLY shift allegiance in their favor they need to bought off the oligarch, plain and simply. That's how the American maintain their hegemony, will the Chinese do it? of course not, thus the hope that Chinese socialism with Chinese Characteristic may be the inspiration. The article highlighted that there are shift in thinking among the intelligentsia about American future role, the security aspect is becoming obsolete as we embrace the coming of ASIAN Century.
 

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