China's SCS Strategy Thread

joshuatree

Captain
By "usual," I mean no departure from basic structure of previous China national maps, drawn by Chinese officials from whatever Chinese governmental departments that are responsible for China map drawings. In short, go back to the status quo of cartography, and stop doing things Chinese officials know would create controversies and upset others.

I can understand a call for halting such action but I hear no calls to halt the other claimants. I even wish China use a little more tact at times when dealing with this issue but there's a huge level of hypocrisy going on when other claimants upset the status quo as well and get a pass on those actions. Case in point when talking about national maps. As recently as 2011, Philippine maps certified by NAMRIA, do not mark Scarborough within their territory. If you looked at their maps now, of course it does as well as the name "West Philippine Sea". So a departure from status quo as well.

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mr.bean

Junior Member
anybody know the latest happening in SCS? I got this tiny piece my buddy sent to me about a Chinese survey ship 781 (its not an oil rig but some type of survey ship)being sent to the SCS. but I got no details information about this just this news headline.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
I can understand a call for halting such action but I hear no calls to halt the other claimants. I even wish China use a little more tact at times when dealing with this issue but there's a huge level of hypocrisy going on when other claimants upset the status quo as well and get a pass on those actions. Case in point when talking about national maps. As recently as 2011, Philippine maps certified by NAMRIA, do not mark Scarborough within their territory. If you looked at their maps now, of course it does as well as the name "West Philippine Sea". So a departure from status quo as well.

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The larger party usually get more scrutiny in disputes, and China should expect no less. Few of China's neighbors are concerned with Philippines or Vietnam taking over the entire South China Sea, whereas many are concerned with China's willingness and ability to do so.

It's not hard to establish an event trail that shows the following:

1) UNCLOS ratification.
2) Nations file EEZ claims based on UNCLOS, including Philippines and Vietnam (around 2009).
3) China objects to Vietnamese and Filipino claims and reacts to "provocation" with disproportional responses.
4) Vietnam and Philippines ensnare the US into the argument, with US as a willing victim.
5) Furball. Things get nastier and nastier.

The key takeaways are:

1) For the first time in centuries, China is relatively safe on land, so she's casting her gaze to the sea.
2) South China Sea is China's "Greater Caribbean," and by dominating it, China links the Indian Ocean with the West Pacific and begins to secure her SLOC.
3) To secures the greater South China Sea area, China must pacify the lesser powers of the region and either work out an arrangement with the US to share power, or push the US out of the Western Pacific. US is not willing to share, so China has begun to push.
4) Subjugation of of lesser powers is in full swing, and China has no intention of compromising their "core interests." It's literally what Captain James Fanell, USN, said about Chinese attitude "what's mine is mine, and we'll discuss what's yours."
5) While wearing down the lesser SCS powers, China feels confident enough to take on the US at the same time. It promises to be a long and nasty disagreement. Neither side is willing to back down, and, sadly, things will get worse before they get better.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
There are other similar statements from other Chinese Foreign Ministry officials, such as the one quoted in Chinese media saying that "small countries should not bully China." This was immediately laughed and sneered at by the Chinese netizens as wimpy and weak.

Sometimes, you do question the communication skills of Chinese officials.

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I saw this story earlier but they've since change the headline. Before it asked if this map will start a war? Meaning the other side will go to war over a map depicted by China. Can you imagine if China was the one that was stirred up over a map and how they would depict how crazy China is over it?
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
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I saw this story earlier but they've since change the headline. Before it asked if this map will start a war? Meaning the other side will go to war over a map depicted by China. Can you imagine if China was the one that was stirred up over a map and how they would depict how crazy China is over it?

Didn't you say you live or had lived in the US? If so, then you surely understand the "if it bleeds it leads" parable. There's a long tradition of some "free press" caring more about making money, reputations, and agendas, and less about balance and accuracy. At least, people could easily get the other side of the story in free and open societies.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
The National Interest has a good write-up on China's SCS strategy and bullying/coercive tactics. The caveat is National Interest routinely publish articles critical of Chinese policies and actions, so it's likely advancing agendas of its own.

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With the United States once again preoccupied with events in the Middle East China has made another strategic adjustment to its claims in the South China Sea. It seems clear by now that Beijing has found a new way to bolster its position in what Stratfor analyst Robert D. Kaplan has dubbed Asia’s Cauldron. China’s plan: why provoke your neighbors with raw military might, or the outright taking of claimed territory, when you can use oil rigs and maps to achieve the same strategic aims?

While China’s crafty placement of an oil rig off Vietnam’s coast–with fears several more might be in the offing–has been in the news for the past month or so, it is Beijing’s latest ploy that should make Asia watchers more concerned.

According to various reports the PRC “has published its first official vertical national map incorporating the vast South China Sea, with equal weight given to both land and sea, in its latest move emphasizing its claims of sovereignty over the disputed waters.” While Chinese maps have been used before in various claims of sovereignty (recall Beijing’s passport photo controversy a few years ago), this adds a new twist. According to an article in the South China Sea Morning Post past official maps “were horizontal and focused on the country’s vast land area. And the country’s sea areas and islands in the South China Sea were often featured on a smaller scale, in a separate box-out in a bottom corner of the map.” This new map, which went on sale just this week shows “the islands and claimed waters in the South China Sea have been given the same amount of weight as China’s land areas, and are featured on the same scale in one complete map.” The report goes on to detail the area of the map concerning the South China Sea being “more prominent in the new map and is marked out by a nine-dash demarcation line. China claims all the islands and their adjacent waters encompassed by the line are part of its sovereignty.” (Note to readers: looking at the map, its actually a 10-dash line now)

For China, such a strategy is in line with past attempts, not only to slowly change facts on the ground and in the water, but to change perceptions regarding various territorial claims. Doing and acting as if you have sovereignty over something goes a long way to driving the narrative towards your own perspective. Sending an oil rig well within another country’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ), constantly utilizing non-naval maritime assets (rightly dubbed “small-stick diplomacy”) to solidify claims, issuing regulations over various parts of vital commerce such as fishing in disputed territories and now using maps all make it quite clear what China’s strategic plan for the South China Sea is. Its quite simple really: don’t just talk the talk, walk the walk. They say possession is nine-tenths of the law. For China, outright possession could spark a war. So winning in multiple domains that have less of a chance to spark a conflict like maps, oil rigs, using non-naval assets and regulations put China in position to inch its way towards possession in the one place that might just count the most: the perception game.

So should the Asia-Pacific and wider Indo-Pacific be concerned about such a move? What about the United States?

For ASEAN countries, and those for whom China’s nine or ten-dash line appears right off their coastline, the challenge is quite clear–and what to do about it should also be clear as well. Such nations must protest in every possible way. One strategy that might be possible is what the Philippines has done–what pundits have called “lawfare.” Manila has appealed to the Permanent Court of Arbitration–essentially an attempt by the Philippines to use legal maneuvers and international law to shame the Chinese into some sort of compromise. One possible strategy could be to take this to the next level. All of the various claimants to different parts of the South China Sea could collectively ask for international arbitration–banding together to test China’s South China Sea claims. Call it the biggest class-action lawsuit of all time. This might be the only way nations impacted by China’s claims will be able to push back is in some way where they can band together short of war. Lawfare just might be the best way to achieve such a goal.

For Washington, the challenge is quite clear: Beijing is bent on changing the status quo, in this case, one map at a time. The trend lines are also clear. While America does not take an official position on such claims, Washington does have a big stake in the outcome. With $5 trillion worth of sea-borne trade passing through Asia’s Cauldron, Beijing claiming 90% of South China Sea is a direct threat to the very concept of the maritime commons in which all nations benefit from. If Beijing were to overturn the almost timeless concept that oceans are not national territory but part of the commons all nations are free to utilize, a dangerous precedent would be set. Who is to say Beijing would not enact such a precedent again (think East China Sea) or that other nations in other parts of the world would use such a trend to their own advantage (think Russia in the Arctic). All nations who value the global commons share a stake in seeing them survive Beijing’s latest challenge. No map or otherwise should be allowed to chip away at something so important.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Didn't you say you live or had lived in the US? If so, then you surely understand the "if it bleeds it leads" parable. There's a long tradition of some "free press" caring more about making money, reputations, and agendas, and less about balance and accuracy. At least, people could easily get the other side of the story in free and open societies.

That's has nothing to do with my point. It is a fact if China was all upset over a map and would go to war over it, it would be used as how extreme China is to paint it as aggressive therefore encourage something to be done against China. Ever hear of William Randolph Hearst? He started a war using his newspaper pushing the US to carry out his own personal agenda.

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Blackstone

Brigadier
That's has nothing to do with my point. It is a fact if China was all upset over a map and would go to war over it, it would be used as how extreme China is to paint it as aggressive therefore encourage something to be done against China. Ever hear of William Randolph Hearst? He started a war using his newspaper pushing the US to carry out his own personal agenda.

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A.Mace, I don't get what you're trying to say. What does what William Randolph Hearst's newspapers did more than a hundred years ago has to do US today? No major US organization is drumming for Sino-American war, not even the China hawks. The worse you could say is some US media and security experts lobby for greater US presence in support of her allies, but even then, you'll also have to say most of them caution against war.
 
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