China's SCS Strategy Thread

AndrewS

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The first question is quite easy. Most of the energy exports from the middle East and Africa passes through the region on their way to East Asia. Similar, all of the trade activities pass through the region on their way from Europe. Right now, USN or any of the countries around there like Australia, Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia can easily choke off that sea lane in the even of a major dispute. There is not much China can do about that. That's a huge security threat for China striving for the super power status. There is always talks of energy exploration in South China Sea, but I don't see that as important as China's trade dependencies.

To add, the littoral nations of the South China Seas are very reliant on shipping through the SCS.

For example, Vietnam is a long and narrow country with a very long coastline onto the South China Seas.
Malaysia is geographically separated into 2 parts by the South China Seas and relies on ships to connect its territory.
Brunei is literally a small dot that is critically reliant on the sea.

So whilst the US wants to blockade China in the SCS - countries like Malaysia and Vietnam have an interest in supporting the Chinese military in keeping the sea lanes open against the US military.

China wants trade to continue unmolested in the SCS because China is the world's largest trading nation.
ASEAN is a significant trading partner for China and mixing up Chinese trade with ASEAN helps China to evade a US blockade.

So the presence of Chinese bases in the SCS helps to persuade ASEAN countries that they need friendly or neutral relations with China.
 

antiterror13

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I would not trust most of ASEAN countries to join China's side in a war. Most of these countries would want to stay neutral. I think in general, China will have to moderate some of its SCS positions in order to get more support from ASEAN countries. Vietnam is a lot cause. It's also close enough to China that they would not dare to do anything funny in a war. More importantly, Spratleys are more strategically important than Paracels. As China continues to fortify those air bases, it might get some level of acceptance from other countries over time. It's far easier to settle those islands with Philllipines and Malaysia vs Vietnam. if they can reach an agreement with Philippines and Malaysia, then China can work on assuming dominating position with ASEAN countries. That would include exports, free trade zones and such. If it can reach that, it has much fewer concerns in the area. Singapore is likely to also stay neutral in any conflict if it knows China can flatten it. When we get to that point, the main threat to Chinese trade route are USN, RAN and India.

Aside from Spratleys, China could also work on getting a naval base in Cambodia. A large size military base there would really give their Air Force complete access over Malacca straight. They'd also be able to ferry over their fighter jets/bombers via Laos air space. It'd be far easier to convince Cambodia/Laos to switch to China's side rather than Thailand. A base with protected hangars and long air strip in Cambodia would also allow them to bomb Australia's Perth naval base.

If we look beyond just SCS, they'd also need to establish something closer to Gulf of Hormuz. The most obvious place would be Gwader port in Pakistan. That's extremely strategically located. A fleet of J-20s/flankers would put India in a very weak position. It would also offer them adequate protection on oil transport.

100% not. You must never threaten another country with nuclear weapon unless you want get treated like a pariah internationally. More importantly, Australia would laugh it off, because any attack against Australia would face nuclear retaliation from America. that's not a path you ever want to take

ICBM/IRBM is not necessarily nuclear
 

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@PhSt @Bellum_Romanum Bro do you know how much money the US gov't is willing to spend to fund a particular candidate, the cost of One F35 jet. Right now the US prefer candidate is down at all polls in all segment of the society, they are trying to convince Isko Moreno who had a gambling problem, Pacquiao and Lacson with funding problem to withdraw and pledge their support to Leni Robredo. Aside from manufactured case against BBM, they aren't abash in intervening as the stake is so high that they think the Pivot in Asia is in danger as the Philippines is the Fulcrum of the Strategy.

And for the candidates, it's the easy way to earn a retirement Tax Free...lol

Will the US fund Isko's 'turncoatism'?​

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February 7, 2022
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I WAS startled when presidential candidate Francisco Domagoso (aka "Isko Moreno") stated in a recent TV interview that he does not look unfavorably at "political turncoatism," which refers to a politician's defecting to another camp to advance his personal ambitions.
Domagoso even expounded his view in some detail: "Basta ako ang loyalty ko sa tao. Kapakinabangan ng tao ang mahalaga sa akin, hindi kapakinabangan ng pulitiko. Kung mabuti ka at tinupad mo ang sinabi mo, sasamahan kita. Pero kung hindi ka totoo sa sarili mo at sa tao, hindi ako para maging tapat sa 'yo dahil ang katapatan ko, sa taong bayan (My loyalty lies with the people. It only matters to me if it's advantageous to people, not for politicians. If you are good and you fulfill your promises, then I'll join you. But if you are not true to yourself and the people, it's not imperative for me to remain loyal to you because my loyalty lies with my countrymen)," he explained
I was surprised at his statements because just two days before he said those, an old source of mine, very well connected in political and business circles and usually reliable, called me out of the blue, excited to reveal something to me.
He said: "It's done. The Americans are desperate that they'll offer Isko big, big money for him to withdraw his candidacy and support Leni Robredo. With some manipulation of the polls, Leni's rating will be made to appear to move up and with Isko's throwing his support for her, the Americans think they can create a bandwagon effect, enough to conceal the massive cheating they'll do, as they did in 2015 for Leni."
Isko's explanation why turncoatism isn't really bad is what he will say when he withdraws from the race and supports Robredo, that it is for the good of the people.


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"Lacson, of course, could also be more easily persuaded to do an 'Isko,' as everyone knows he's running not to win but as they say, 'for the funds of it,'" my friend claimed.
F-35

I asked: How big is "big money"? "How much is an F-35?" he rhetorically asked, referring to the US' most advanced fighter jet that has been flying over Chinese-held reefs to challenge that superpower's claim.
I googled that. An F-354 costs $80 million. Looks small, but in pesos, that's huge: P4 billion. A man who some say is deep in debt in tens of millions of pesos because of his gambling habit, will overnight become a billionaire. He can even stash away a billion, put it in good investments and he'll have a war chest for the 2028 presidential elections, when he will be only 53 years old.

The Americans will not even rely on government audited funds. Run as private foundations, US entities using the excuse that they are championing human rights and a free press, such as the National Endowment for Democracy and Omidyar Network, have given so far $50 million to Philippine media outfits such as Rappler, Vera Files and the Center For Media Freedom and Responsibility and other "NGOs" to demonize Duterte since 2016. The Americans don't need these traitors if it gets to install Leni Robredo — clearly the most pro-American and anti-China candidate — as president and, therefore, can bankroll that F-35 amount.
The American plan is not flawless. The latest polls I've seen show Isko getting 12 percent; Leni, 15 percent; and Lacson, 6 percent. Even if Isko and Lacson withdraw and manage to convince their followers to instead vote for Leni, her total votes would just be 33 percent, which is only half of the 62 percent voting for Marcos. And that would even depend on whether their followers will vote for Leni — and not Marcos.
However, other than disqualifying Marcos from running, which seems to be unlikely, Isko's turncoatism is the only plan the Americans think has the chance of stopping a Marcos 2nd presidency.
What gives my source's claim some credibility is the fact that never since the Vietnam War ended in 1975 has the US desperately needed a pro-American Philippine president as it does now. Bongbong Marcos will likely at the very least follow Duterte's foreign policy of having China and US at an equidistant length from us. Marcos also, of course, knows how the US betrayed his father — abducting him to Hawaii and undertaking a "kangaroo court" there that portrayed him as a murderous dictator. But he doesn't seem to have that Aquino trait of vengefulness and he's too realistic to make the US an outright enemy.

Heyday
The Americans had a heyday here when they got to put President Benigno Simeon Aquino 3rd in power, who was not only so servile to the US, but so unintelligent that he was easily maneuvered into adopting a very hostile stance against China, our biggest trading partner, to the point of filing the first suit ever (even if it was only an arbitration) against that superpower.
Even as it prodded and maneuvered Aquino to be belligerent to China, the US frightened him so easily after he lost Scarborough Shoal inn 2912 that he agreed in 2013 to enter into the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) with the Americans, which is essentially a new version of the Military Bases Agreement that the Senate ended in 1992. The Americans scared Aquino and his officials into buying the argument that such basing agreement would facilitate US defense of the Philippines in case China attacks it.

That EDCA is nothing but a basing agreement in fact was demonstrated only recently with the US announcing that it will be stationing troops in Bulgaria and Romania so its forces could more quickly come to Ukraine's aid if Russia invades that country. The treaties Bulgaria and Romania signed in 2006 and 2005 that allow American troops to be in these two countries made up the template for our EDCA.
President Rodrigo Duterte's detestation of the US has demonstrated how crucial it is for US interests that a Philippine president be pro-American. Duterte's "shelving" of the arbitration award in the suit against China knocked the wind out of the sails of that US propaganda project against the Chinese. He has also developed the Philippines-China economic and diplomatic relationship so much that the US has been practically put in the sidelines.
End EDCA
The Americans fear that an anti-US Philippine president will end the EDCA, which can be done at the whim of the president since it is a mere executive agreement that was signed only by Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin and the US ambassador to the Philippines, Philip Goldberg.
Recent developments have further emphasized how crucial it is that a Philippine president be pro-American.
The US appears to be convinced that China will be moving soon to take over Taiwan and there are suspicions that that superpower and Russia are coordinating their moves to make President Joe Biden's head spin. Russia's "tasking" involves its invasion — or a pretended invasion — of Ukraine, or just the occupation of the southernmost territories bordering Russia, occupied by two separatist states, the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic.
The sum of P4 billion to retain EDCA would be a bargain. Only the smallest country in Asean, Singapore, is a staunch US ally in the region that it would be difficult for the US to put up a charade that Asean countries are demanding that it militarily defend Taiwan.
The May election doesn't just involve candidates' different views on how this nation should be run and their real qualifications.
The contest is between nationalists who want the country to continue Duterte's path of liberation from the American eagle's claws on the one hand and US lackeys who want it to remain a neo-colony.
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"It's done. The Americans are desperate that they'll offer Isko big, big money for him to withdraw his candidacy and support Leni Robredo. With some manipulation of the polls, Leni's rating will be made to appear to move up and with Isko's throwing his support for her, the Americans think they can create a bandwagon effect, enough to conceal the massive cheating they'll do, as they did in 2015 for Leni."
I could 100% see that happening. In fact the deep state did the same in the US Democrat's primary election when they saw that Bernie Sanders was leading the polls. Suddenly, overnight, almost (all?) the other candidates dropped from running and immediately supported Biden....
That's was the biggest theft I had seen in politics by the Deep State in a long time.

So that they are talking about using it in Philippines doesn't surprise me at all. Infact, with CIA controlling the media and suddenly finding a "scandal", they could succeed.

I said it when it happened, his speech about being friendly with China, was probably the end of him. Its either he wins or he losses from CIA's influence operations. He needs to stand strong
 

Bellum_Romanum

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@PhSt @Bellum_Romanum Bro do you know how much money the US gov't is willing to spend to fund a particular candidate, the cost of One F35 jet. Right now the US prefer candidate is down at all polls in all segment of the society, they are trying to convince Isko Moreno who had a gambling problem, Pacquiao and Lacson with funding problem to withdraw and pledge their support to Leni Robredo. Aside from manufactured case against BBM, they aren't abash in intervening as the stake is so high that they think the Pivot in Asia is in danger as the Philippines is the Fulcrum of the Strategy.

And for the candidates, it's the easy way to earn a retirement Tax Free...lol

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February 7, 2022
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I WAS startled when presidential candidate Francisco Domagoso (aka "Isko Moreno") stated in a recent TV interview that he does not look unfavorably at "political turncoatism," which refers to a politician's defecting to another camp to advance his personal ambitions.
Domagoso even expounded his view in some detail: "Basta ako ang loyalty ko sa tao. Kapakinabangan ng tao ang mahalaga sa akin, hindi kapakinabangan ng pulitiko. Kung mabuti ka at tinupad mo ang sinabi mo, sasamahan kita. Pero kung hindi ka totoo sa sarili mo at sa tao, hindi ako para maging tapat sa 'yo dahil ang katapatan ko, sa taong bayan (My loyalty lies with the people. It only matters to me if it's advantageous to people, not for politicians. If you are good and you fulfill your promises, then I'll join you. But if you are not true to yourself and the people, it's not imperative for me to remain loyal to you because my loyalty lies with my countrymen)," he explained
I was surprised at his statements because just two days before he said those, an old source of mine, very well connected in political and business circles and usually reliable, called me out of the blue, excited to reveal something to me.
He said: "It's done. The Americans are desperate that they'll offer Isko big, big money for him to withdraw his candidacy and support Leni Robredo. With some manipulation of the polls, Leni's rating will be made to appear to move up and with Isko's throwing his support for her, the Americans think they can create a bandwagon effect, enough to conceal the massive cheating they'll do, as they did in 2015 for Leni."
Isko's explanation why turncoatism isn't really bad is what he will say when he withdraws from the race and supports Robredo, that it is for the good of the people.


poster




"Lacson, of course, could also be more easily persuaded to do an 'Isko,' as everyone knows he's running not to win but as they say, 'for the funds of it,'" my friend claimed.
F-35

I asked: How big is "big money"? "How much is an F-35?" he rhetorically asked, referring to the US' most advanced fighter jet that has been flying over Chinese-held reefs to challenge that superpower's claim.
I googled that. An F-354 costs $80 million. Looks small, but in pesos, that's huge: P4 billion. A man who some say is deep in debt in tens of millions of pesos because of his gambling habit, will overnight become a billionaire. He can even stash away a billion, put it in good investments and he'll have a war chest for the 2028 presidential elections, when he will be only 53 years old.

The Americans will not even rely on government audited funds. Run as private foundations, US entities using the excuse that they are championing human rights and a free press, such as the National Endowment for Democracy and Omidyar Network, have given so far $50 million to Philippine media outfits such as Rappler, Vera Files and the Center For Media Freedom and Responsibility and other "NGOs" to demonize Duterte since 2016. The Americans don't need these traitors if it gets to install Leni Robredo — clearly the most pro-American and anti-China candidate — as president and, therefore, can bankroll that F-35 amount.
The American plan is not flawless. The latest polls I've seen show Isko getting 12 percent; Leni, 15 percent; and Lacson, 6 percent. Even if Isko and Lacson withdraw and manage to convince their followers to instead vote for Leni, her total votes would just be 33 percent, which is only half of the 62 percent voting for Marcos. And that would even depend on whether their followers will vote for Leni — and not Marcos.
However, other than disqualifying Marcos from running, which seems to be unlikely, Isko's turncoatism is the only plan the Americans think has the chance of stopping a Marcos 2nd presidency.
What gives my source's claim some credibility is the fact that never since the Vietnam War ended in 1975 has the US desperately needed a pro-American Philippine president as it does now. Bongbong Marcos will likely at the very least follow Duterte's foreign policy of having China and US at an equidistant length from us. Marcos also, of course, knows how the US betrayed his father — abducting him to Hawaii and undertaking a "kangaroo court" there that portrayed him as a murderous dictator. But he doesn't seem to have that Aquino trait of vengefulness and he's too realistic to make the US an outright enemy.

Heyday
The Americans had a heyday here when they got to put President Benigno Simeon Aquino 3rd in power, who was not only so servile to the US, but so unintelligent that he was easily maneuvered into adopting a very hostile stance against China, our biggest trading partner, to the point of filing the first suit ever (even if it was only an arbitration) against that superpower.
Even as it prodded and maneuvered Aquino to be belligerent to China, the US frightened him so easily after he lost Scarborough Shoal inn 2912 that he agreed in 2013 to enter into the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) with the Americans, which is essentially a new version of the Military Bases Agreement that the Senate ended in 1992. The Americans scared Aquino and his officials into buying the argument that such basing agreement would facilitate US defense of the Philippines in case China attacks it.

That EDCA is nothing but a basing agreement in fact was demonstrated only recently with the US announcing that it will be stationing troops in Bulgaria and Romania so its forces could more quickly come to Ukraine's aid if Russia invades that country. The treaties Bulgaria and Romania signed in 2006 and 2005 that allow American troops to be in these two countries made up the template for our EDCA.
President Rodrigo Duterte's detestation of the US has demonstrated how crucial it is for US interests that a Philippine president be pro-American. Duterte's "shelving" of the arbitration award in the suit against China knocked the wind out of the sails of that US propaganda project against the Chinese. He has also developed the Philippines-China economic and diplomatic relationship so much that the US has been practically put in the sidelines.
End EDCA
The Americans fear that an anti-US Philippine president will end the EDCA, which can be done at the whim of the president since it is a mere executive agreement that was signed only by Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin and the US ambassador to the Philippines, Philip Goldberg.
Recent developments have further emphasized how crucial it is that a Philippine president be pro-American.
The US appears to be convinced that China will be moving soon to take over Taiwan and there are suspicions that that superpower and Russia are coordinating their moves to make President Joe Biden's head spin. Russia's "tasking" involves its invasion — or a pretended invasion — of Ukraine, or just the occupation of the southernmost territories bordering Russia, occupied by two separatist states, the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic.
The sum of P4 billion to retain EDCA would be a bargain. Only the smallest country in Asean, Singapore, is a staunch US ally in the region that it would be difficult for the US to put up a charade that Asean countries are demanding that it militarily defend Taiwan.
The May election doesn't just involve candidates' different views on how this nation should be run and their real qualifications.
The contest is between nationalists who want the country to continue Duterte's path of liberation from the American eagle's claws on the one hand and US lackeys who want it to remain a neo-colony.
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Bellum_Romanum

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@ansy1968 I was pretty much of the same mind with respect to what the U.S. was trying to do in terms of coalescing all the anti-Duterte candidates into supporting a single candidate that has a better chance of maybe contesting Marcos. That candidate was Isko Moreno because him being an initial strong Duterte supporter and imitator. Imitating Duterte's tough talking politicking and matching the rhetoric with actual actions on the ground in Manila. And since Erap was such a useless corrupt politician, Moreno's actions would always look so heavenly in comparison. Plus, Moreno has a streak of "authenticity" in him that a lot of ordinary Filipino can buy into that Leni Robredo simply lacks. Robredo is Hillary lite with no actual brains and not even a record of accomplishments other than riding the cottail of her dead husband's popularity which allowed her to gain political constituency and used it for her current political power.



The Americans are beyond stupid and are clearly losing their touch when it comes to their bread and butter that's retail politics. They are utilizing woke politics into the Philippines as if that country's very pro-America stance and cultural affinity is the same as America when at the end of the day, the Philippines is still a proud country. Duterte has indeed broken the American prestige and allure that's so enamored and captured the psyche of the Filipinos writ large from the time of American colonization of the archipelago in the early 19th century.



The only way Marcos loses the coming election is if Duterte itself miraculously supports Robredo's candidacy and that would be such an earth shattering news in your country not to mention will provoke a schism within the Duterte clan that'll be difficult to be reconciled for many obvious reasons. But the chances of that fantasy from ever happening is equal to me winning the lottery.
 
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ansy1968

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@ansy1968 I was pretty much of the same mind with respect to what the U.S. was trying to do in terms of coalescing all the anti-Duterte candidates into supporting a single candidate that has a better chance of maybe contesting Marcos. That candidate was Isko Moreno because him being an initial strong Duterte supporter and imitator. Imitating Duterte's tough talking politicking and matching the rhetoric with actual actions on the ground in Manila. And since Erap was such a useless corrupt politician, Moreno's actions would always look so heavenly in comparison. Plus, Moreno has a streak of "authenticity" in him that a lot of ordinary Filipino can buy into that Leni Robredo simply lacks. Robredo is Hillary lite with no actualy brains and not even a record of accomplishments other than riding the cattail of her dead husband's popularity which allowed her to gain political constituency and used it for her current political power.



The Americans are beyond stupid and are clearly losing their touch when it comes to their bread and butter that's retail politics. They are utilizing woke politics into the Philippines as if that country's very pro-America stance and cultural affinity as the same as America when at the end of the day, the Philippines is still a proud country. Duterte has indeed broken the American prestige and allure that's so enamored and captured the psyche of the Filipinos writ large from the time of American colonization of the archipelago in the early 19th century.



The only way Marcos loses the coming election is if Duterte itself miraculously supports Robredo's candidacy and that would be such an earth shattering news in your country not to mention will provoke a schism within the Duterte clan that'll be difficult to be reconciled for many obvious reasons. But the chances of that fantasy from ever happening is equal to me winning the lottery.
@Bellum_Romanum @Overbom bro the US only recourse is a Military takeover or a coup. BUT that option depend on Duterte, he hold all the cards...lol. He is the king maker and for this I acknowledged Trump foresight cause during his term, he gave us space and we are grateful. The Less US intervene in our domestic affair the more popular they become, it is a lesson that the current and future US administration will not learned, as they are so used in using Hard Power, their Soft Power advantage will be eroded as China Rise. With China It's a shared future with the Americans its a forsaken one with a lot of heart pain and suffering.

Brother to quicken the Chinese influence, China need to accommodate the oligarch elites, and that's the problem, the Chinese will never intervene and for me that is a good thing. Influence should start from the grass root level, Cause in the eye of the masses, nothing has change IF the same Oligarchy elite hold power.
 

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I think it is not beyond the tricks of CIA to engineer the "accidental" death of a certain leading candidate in the polls, if CIA finds it necessary to do so, in the name of American interests.
think of the almost successful coup ( and death ) against Turkey's Erdogan, were it not for the Russians to tip him off.
 

ansy1968

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I think it is not beyond the tricks of CIA to engineer the "accidental" death of a certain leading candidate in the polls, if CIA finds it necessary to do so, in the name of American interests.
think of the almost successful coup ( and death ) against Turkey's Erdogan, were it not for the Russians to tip him off.
@Jono bro the same thing is happening here as the Chinese will provide intelligence regarding any US covert action. The former Chinese ambassador who help Duterte in his China pivot His excellency Mr. Zhao Jianhua is a former Intelligence officer, he help Duterte uncover the former US ambassador Goldberg plan of a Colored Revolution , replacing him with Leni Robredo. That plan was shattered with the famous S.O.B remark on Obama, Trump winning the presidency and China not constructing an Artificial Island on Scarborough shoal.

Here is an example of a traitor disguising as a patriot, he should expose the obvious American interference, instead he is following his master instruction to the tee.

From Inquirer a bias MSM owned by the Prieto's , a parasite oligarchy elite who pay no taxes.

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MANILA, Philippines — Retired Supreme Court Senior Associate Justice Antonio Carpio on Saturday said he believes China may interfere in the upcoming national elections to protect its interests.
“China will interfere because I think they interfered in the last presidential elections,” Carpio said in an online forum.
To recall, former Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert Del Rosario claimed that ranking Chinese officials have been bragging that they were able to shape the outcome of the country’s polls in
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which led to the election of President Rodrigo Duterte.
Carpio said he believes China will again favor a candidate who will continue Duterte’s friendship with Beijing.

“So we will have to expect that nations that have an interest in our maritime zones or claiming to our territories and maritime zones will look for a candidate who will be friendly to them, just like Duterte,” Carpio pointed out.
“They want Duterte’s policy to be continued,” he added.

Carpio also cited Duterte’s previous statements that he was “inutile” in wresting control of islets in the
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“China wants the next president to follow the same policy, that’s very clear,” he said


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