China's SCS Strategy Thread

Phead128

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I love how Western media hyped up this "Powder Keg" and "WW3" potential of SCS since 2013, and yet their dreams haven't come true yet.

Another example of Western media sensationalism and overhyping the China Threat. ASEAN will ally with US against China any moment now.... waiting.... ZzZzZzZz
 

siegecrossbow

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The islands are no mere fortresses. In fact, fortress isn't even their primary function.

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ansy1968

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The islands are no mere fortresses. In fact, fortress isn't even their primary function.

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@siegecrossbow Sir its game over in the SCS, the littoral defense had been establish with those Type 056 corvettes plus the artificial island serving as supply depot and base saturating it. Its what we call an Escalatory dominance. The focus shift to the second Island chain were a Chinese CBG will be form centered on the new carriers. Sir the push back had started and maybe by 2030, a Chinese FON will be sailing near Hawaii and this time with the America complaining of Chinese intrusion.
 

Hendrik_2000

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French Admiral Pierre Vandier recently testified before the National Assembly, he said the PLA Navy's level is beyond what they expected both in quantity and quality, after a French Navy SSN patrolled the South China Sea as part of the Mission Marianne.


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Here is a good paragraph The Chinese great underwater wall must be function now
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And, precisely, the Chinese navy does not deprive itself of using its capacities.

Each year, like a choke collar, we are under a little more pressure in this part of the world. The Chinese military presence is asserting itself more and more with harshness. From now on, as soon as we enter the China Sea, while we navigate in international maritime space, we are systematically escorted very closely by Chinese military ships. This year, we have been subjected to navigation constraints, like a passerby on a sidewalk who receives shocks from the shoulder and must deviate from his path, ”described the CEMM, for whom“ the approach that China in the area is increasingly territorializing ”.

And to add: "China wants to modify international rules, to get out of a state which does not suit it. At sea, its objective is clearly to extend its surface. This development will continue, unless a way is found to balance the strategic dialogue ”. Only, concluded Admiral Vandier, "if no one wants war but many want to change the balance, the question is therefore to know if we can change the balance without going to war" ...
 

ansy1968

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Here is a good paragraph The Chinese great underwater wall must be function now
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And, precisely, the Chinese navy does not deprive itself of using its capacities.

Each year, like a choke collar, we are under a little more pressure in this part of the world. The Chinese military presence is asserting itself more and more with harshness. From now on, as soon as we enter the China Sea, while we navigate in international maritime space, we are systematically escorted very closely by Chinese military ships. This year, we have been subjected to navigation constraints, like a passerby on a sidewalk who receives shocks from the shoulder and must deviate from his path, ”described the CEMM, for whom“ the approach that China in the area is increasingly territorializing ”.

And to add: "China wants to modify international rules, to get out of a state which does not suit it. At sea, its objective is clearly to extend its surface. This development will continue, unless a way is found to balance the strategic dialogue ”. Only, concluded Admiral Vandier, "if no one wants war but many want to change the balance, the question is therefore to know if we can change the balance without going to war" ...
@Hendrik_2000 that its bro an Escalatory Dominance, a way to change the status quo without fighting, straight from Sun Tzu.
 

Gatekeeper

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Here is a good paragraph The Chinese great underwater wall must be function now
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And, precisely, the Chinese navy does not deprive itself of using its capacities.

Each year, like a choke collar, we are under a little more pressure in this part of the world. The Chinese military presence is asserting itself more and more with harshness. From now on, as soon as we enter the China Sea, while we navigate in international maritime space, we are systematically escorted very closely by Chinese military ships. This year, we have been subjected to navigation constraints, like a passerby on a sidewalk who receives shocks from the shoulder and must deviate from his path, ”described the CEMM, for whom“ the approach that China in the area is increasingly territorializing ”.

And to add: "China wants to modify international rules, to get out of a state which does not suit it. At sea, its objective is clearly to extend its surface. This development will continue, unless a way is found to balance the strategic dialogue ”. Only, concluded Admiral Vandier, "if no one wants war but many want to change the balance, the question is therefore to know if we can change the balance without going to war" ...

How arrogant of the French. You're many miles from your home, you're within distants to do damage to Chinese territory and you complained about China monitoring you. Seriously? This isn't the 1800s or even the 1900s. Live with it. It's so annoying this middle power countries wouldn't dare challenge China if it wasn't for them standing behind their big brother.

FFS I'll say:

come and have a go if you think you're hard enough! Otherwise shut the fxxk up.
 

Hendrik_2000

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How arrogant of the French. You're many miles from your home, you're within distants to do damage to Chinese territory and you complained about China monitoring you. Seriously? This isn't the 1800s or even the 1900s. Live with it. It's so annoying this middle power countries wouldn't dare challenge China if it wasn't for them standing behind their big brother.

FFS I'll say:

come and have a go if you think you're hard enough! Otherwise shut the fxxk up.
I am glad that he complain because it show how good China's ASW is now. for a long time western pundit, analyst all poo poo China ASW as weak and piece of cake to penetrate. Now we have here a professional who can attest that they get monitor as soon as they enter SCS. I presume this is rubis the France nuclear attack Sub
Hubris and sense of superiority work for China advantage So let them be!
 

Hendrik_2000

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The US is testing the patient of Xi in SCS with their fonop dangerous time indeed From Asia times
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There are other strategic factors in play. The South China Sea is at the center of the US-China strategic contest for regional dominance.

China and the US have converging strategic trajectories. These produce dangerous dynamics.

For China, the South China Sea provides relative “sanctuary” for its nuclear-capable submarines based in Yulin on Hainan. These submarines are its insurance against a first strike – something the US, unlike China, has not disavowed.

The US uses intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) probes to detect, track and if necessary target China’s nuclear submarines. China’s response has been to
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on some of the geographic features it occupies the capability to neutralize US ISR in a time of conflict.

For China, its installations are critical to its defense. But the US is continuing these probes because they give it an overall strategic nuclear advantage. Any US move to diminish China’s defense capabilities significantly would likely be a “red line.” For the US, a corresponding “red line” might well be any serious attempt to disrupt its ISR probes.


There are other probable “red lines.” For the US, this would include blatant violations of commercial freedom of navigation, or an attack on the forces or territory of its ally the Philippines. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has
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that Washington’s mutual defense treaty with Manila covers an attack on Philippine forces in the South China Sea.

A non-response by the US would destroy its credibility as the “leader” and protector of the “international order” and the region.

Any attempt by China to occupy and build on the Philippines-claimed Scarborough Shoal is also a probable “
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.” Another might be China’s declaration and enforcement of an Air Defense Identification Zone over a large swath of disputed waters in the South China Sea.

For China, whose body politic has become increasingly nationalistic, any national loss of face and resultant loss of respect for leadership could trigger a response to a crossed “red line.” This might include a US military confrontation that forces a public climb-down by China’s navy.

The current situation is tense. Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of the Global Times, which often reflects government views, has
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, “Don’t play with fire off China’s coast … don’t overdo it in the South China Sea.”

But the current US
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is to “meet China’s greater assertiveness with a more assertive use of force of its own.” On the eve of his visit to Southeast Asia, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin
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he intends to emphasize a commitment to freedom of the seas and push back on “unhelpful and unfounded claims” made by China in the South China Sea.

He
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he will be “working closely with our partners about how we’re updating and modernizing our capabilities and their own capabilities to work together to tackle some changing forms of aggression and coercion that we’re all seeing, and I’ll be talking with our friends about how we’ll work hand in hand to pursue our new vision of integrated deterrence.”

To China, this is about as “in your face” as you can get. It is bound to respond in like manner. Hold on to your hat.
 
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