China's SCS Strategy Thread


ansy1968

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@Bellum_Romanum Bro Duterte on the offensive, having thwart the Opposition party on his China pivot and his independent foreign policy, he now demanded the US to explain its covert role in losing the Panatag reef/ shoal or else goodbye VFA. He now put the limelight on the US cause he knows that this past political noises America had a hand and partly funded those activity. Its a deft move, the opposition is foundering like a headless chicken, with the fabricated Chinese militia boat incident didn't gain any traction, instead with JPE interview, it only highlighted the past administration mishandling with American culpability. And bro Abner Afuang is nowhere to be seen...lol from rumors he contracted covid and is now in gov't hospital seeking treatment. I guess he is regretting his action now...lol

Duterte to US: Explain Panatag standoff​

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MANILA TIMES
June 11, 2021

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PRESIDENT Rodrigo Duterte

MALACAÑANG on Thursday said President Rodrigo Duterte wants Washington to explain the circumstances behind the 2012 Panatag Shoal standoff before deciding on the fate of the Visiting Forces Agreement (VFA).
In a television interview on Tuesday, Duterte questioned the US government, which brokered the back channel talks that prompted the Philippine government to pull out its ships from the Panatag Shoal why it did not force China to withdraw its ships during the standoff.
"The VFA now is the problem. We have a big problem because America served as the broker and we withdrew. Why did they not force China to withdraw also? Unless they can explain it to me in a very simple way that can be understood by the entire Philippines, then I can begin to talk about their foreign forces," Duterte said.


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"Pero 'pag hindi, medyo malabo. Sobra tayong binabastos ng Amerikano talaga (If not, then it's unlikely. It's really unlikely. The Americans disrespected us too much)," he said.

Asked to clarify Duterte's statements, Palace spokesman Harry Roque Jr. said the President wants a "satisfactory explanation" as to why the United States let the Philippines lose the territory to China.


"He was clear - kung makakapagbigay ng eksplanasyon ang Estados Unidos kung bakit Pilipinas lang ang pinaalis nila sa Scarborough at hindi nila inantay na umalis ang Tsina, eh siguro po may pag-asa ang VFA (He was clear - if the US can give an explanation as to why it compelled only the Philippines to leave the Scarborough and why it did not wait for China to leave, maybe VFA has a chance)," Roque said.

"Pero kung walang satisfactory na eksplanasyon, sabi ng Presidente, malabo malabo (But if there is no satisfactory explanation, the President said, it is unlikely)," he added.
Roque earlier said the Chief Executive has yet to decide on the fate of the VFA.
In February 2020, Duterte ordered the termination of VFA after the US government cancelled the visa of Sen. Ronald "Bato" de la Rosa over alleged human rights abuses due to the war on drugs when he was the director general of the Philippine National Police.

The President, however, twice suspended the termination.
The termination of the VFA, should it push through, will take effect in August.
Duterte earlier threatened to continue with the abrogation of VFA if the United States will not supply coronavirus disease 2019 vaccines (Covid-19) to the Philippines.
He also demanded the United States to pay if they want the VFA to continue.
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Lol at that Afuang fella, but I do hope he recovers from Covid-19 after taking the Chinese vaccine lol...Well the latest ASEAN meeting China did recognize and committed itself not to make overly aggressive posture in the region to avoid inflaming or causing to raise the temperature for agitations from claimant countries in the SCS which was a deft diplomatic action by China and a massive blow to the warmongering western monkeys who would have loved for the ASEAN countries to become more antagonistic towards China especially the Philippines. Those Washington monkeys must be really hating on Pres.Duterte right now for making things very complicated for their geopolitical designs in the region.
 

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A most interesting read! :-o

"China's plans to study the feasibility of upgrading a World War II-era airstrip on the Kiribati island of Kanton have been met with anxiety.

Australian and U.S. officials are closely monitoring a contentious plan to upgrade a World War II-era airstrip on a remote island in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

Kiribati is a remote country of 33 scattered coral atolls that straddle the equator. It has a population of about 100,000 but it is at the center of a geopolitical intrigue between China on the one hand, and the United States, and its allies, including Australia, on the other.

The Kiribati island of Kanton is a narrow strip of land with a rich military history. In World War II, the U.S. Navy built a 2-kilometer airstrip there to boost the campaign against Japanese forces in the Pacific. It was last used into the 1970s for missile and space research, but is now rundown and rarely used."
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ansy1968

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@Bellum_Romanum bro last month article from Roberto Tiglao of Manila Times, let you in on how the American covert funding is being used and who are the players. You can see the personalities involving the past administration, retired military men and the oligarch especially Manny Pangilinan (who owned a lot of public utilities that is being investigated by Duterte) who hold a US passport. If the American placed their hope on this people to initiate a coup or a change in leadership they will be hugely disappointed. With the recent G7 debacle, common people here are realizing the imperialistic intent of the US (Finally!!!) and their recent SCS China militia false flag operation didn't cause any dent in Duterte popularity. Now the opposition especially Carpio 1sambayan Coalition is having problem recruiting people to run under its Banner...lol, they're naming popular politician without consulting them with embarrassing rebuke hahahaha, Bro only Trillanes answer the call and that is like asking for a death wish...lol

Trillanes' Magdalo putschists behind retired generals' anti-Duterte group?​



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May 24, 2021




A GROUP of a dozen and a half retired generals and colonels calling themselves "Advocates for the National Interest" issued a statement a week ago that tried to spread the colossal lies the Yellows and former magistrate Antonio Carpio have been spreading on the South China Sea dispute.
This mostly septuagenarian lot should do what retired generals of integrity anywhere in the world do, which is to shut their mouths on an incumbent president's policies and on issues they either know nothing about or are too lazy to study - unless their intention is to spread rumors that there is a coup d'etat in the works.
But that, in fact, may be its aim - wittingly or unwittingly though on the part of its members - or at least to portray President Duterte as a puppet of China among our uniformed men.


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The cabal behind this "association," however, has been so amateurish a few weeks before its statement was released on May 17 that it spread rumors "retired and active generals" were withdrawing their support for President Duterte for his allegedly weak stance against China. That Viber group even claimed Defense Secretary Delfin Lorenzana and Armed Forces Chief of Staff Gen. Cirilito Sobejana were with them.

The "association's" statement was then released which was simply a long exposition for the justification for the military's alleged withdrawal of its support from Duterte, signed by retired generals to bolster its credibility. This "association" is nothing but the newest propaganda weapon of the forces pushing the Philippines into conflict with China, designed to focus on the military - which makes it a dangerous group.


My basis for this suspicion is that it has a member who is not a former general nor even a colonel: Francisco Ashely Acedillo, a former helicopter pilot whose highest rank had been of lieutenant in the Air Force. Who is he?

Acedillo was one of the 11 officers first convicted in 2008 by a military court together with Gary Alejano, for leading the short-lived Oakwood Mutiny in 2003 and being kicked out of the military. He spent seven years in the Villamor stockades until his conviction.
Financing
I was told by one of those listed in that group's manifesto it was Acedillo who was behind its organization and appeared to be financing it.

Why else would a lieutenant who had defied the military chain of command, was convicted of mutiny and discharged dishonorably, be included in an exclusive club of retired generals and colonels who had been loyal to the Constitution? Of course, he would be there if it was he who had recruited the retired generals into the "association."

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Convicted mutineer Acedillo (right) said to be behind the ‘retired generals and colonels’ association critical of Duterte’s China policy, with comrades Trillanes and Gary Alejano in New York. FROM A FACEBOOK POST


There's more info that should make us very suspicious.
After serving a term as the Magdalo (aka Antonio Trillanes') party representative in Congress, he became assistant vice president for cybersecurity of Smart Communications. Smart is a subsidiary of the Hong Kong-based First Pacific Co., owned mainly by the Indonesian tycoon Anthoni Salim. It was the ambitious project of that firm, together with tycoons Enrique Razon and Roberto Ongpin - to extract gas in the disputed Reed Bank in 2011 - that was blocked by Chinese vessels and triggered the Aquino regime's hostile stance against China. A board director of Smart Communications is former foreign affairs secretary Albert del Rosario, one of the top anti-China figures in the country today.
Did Acedillo get a tasking from First Pacific that wasn't in his job description? Amazing, isn't it, a mutineer who was with a group that tried to topple a duly constituted government heads the cybersecurity operations of one of the two biggest cellphone firms in the country? Duterte's officials, just to be safe, should stop using Smart phones.
That Acedillo deliriously hates Duterte is quite obvious in his recent Facebook post, part of which reads:
"Welcome to this s-it show called Pilipinas, featuring...
A HUNDRED MILLION COWARDS AND ONE SON OF A BITCH!
Sadly, your protestations, your bravery, and your patriotism - they are all irrelevant. Because it's only that SOB in the Palace (or in Davao, I suppose) that matters still, and his sick bunch of sycophants, flatterers, and murderers - cowards all of them - cowards in the face of a virus' onslaught and the menacing presence of an enemy in our waters."
 
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ansy1968

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Magdalo
Has that old bungling Magdalo gang of mutineers led by Antonio Trillanes 4th, probably with the help of oligarchs and by the US intelligence services, started plotting to portray Duterte as a Chinese puppet, to justify a coup d'etat against him.
The opposition obviously has become desperate to win power through an election. Less than a year before the May 9 elections and five months to the last day for the filing of certificate of elections, there isn't any opposition figure at all that could compete with Duterte's anointed. Even the Yellows' last hope, Vice President Leni Robredo, has all but given up, announcing she prefers to run as governor of Camarines Sur. Trillanes, through social media, asked that wacky group called 1Sampayan claiming to lead the opposition to take him in as its presidential candidate. The group didn't even bother to reply to him.
A coup is the only way to stop a Duterte 2.0 regime and bring the country back under the American eagle's wings.
The US indeed is now under a Democratic Party president, Joe Biden, who would drastically reverse Trump's distancing his country from any involvement in Asia.
Pivot
Biden in fact appointed as his right-hand man to deal with Asia Kurt Campbell, architect of the Obama administration's "Pivot to Asia" that was a thinly disguised campaign to contain the rise of China as a superpower in Asia.
Campbell was the diplomat who fooled ambassador Jose Cuisia and Foreign Affairs Secretary Rosario into believing China had agreed to a simultaneous withdrawal from Scarborough Shoal in June 2012. I bet Campbell is confident he can fool the Philippines again in at least reversing Duterte's rapprochement policy with China.
It is so ignorant, stupid and disgraceful for these retired generals to claim in their statement we are in "conflict with China." Don't they realize the import of such a statement when uttered by retired generals? It is a message: "We are at war with China."
We are not in conflict with China. We merely have a territorial dispute with it, just as we have such disputes with other claimants in the Spratly - Vietnam, Taiwan and Malaysia. There are currently 150 unresolved territorial disputes in the world and only a handful - including that between the Palestinians and the Zionists - have led to military conflict.
Disputes
Aquino and the Yellows merely chose to worsen our disputes with China, first to clear the way for an oligarchic group's* gas extraction project in the disputed Reed Bank and to provoke China to a stand-off in Scarborough Shoal, both of which led to some public opinion to support the arbitration suit against China in 2013.

What for? For the US, which had wanted to demonize China as a creeping invader in the South China Sea and to provide its navy some justification for its patrols in the area, which it got when the arbitral tribunal ruled as illegal China's nine-dash line.
The generals who issued the statement should stop calling themselves "Advocates for National Interest." They are advocates for national insanity.
Tell these retired generals and colonels they are being fooled by convicted mutineers. They include: Ramon Farolan, Renato de Villa, Rodolfo Biazon, Plaridel Abaya, Plaridel Garcia, Niceto Festin, Renato Valencia, Recaredo Sarmiento, Guillermo Cunanan, Mariano Santiago, Melchor Rosales, Alejandro Flores, Eliseo Rio Jr., Emilio Marayag Jr., Alexander Yano, Eduardo Oban, Emmanuel Bautista and Edilberto Adan.
In a succeeding column I'll expose as lies each and every allegation they (or Acedillo) raised in that statement.
*See my column: "Salim (aka MVP), Razon, Ongpin's project behind Aquino's discord with China," May 10, 2021
 
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Bellum_Romanum

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Magdalo
Has that old bungling Magdalo gang of mutineers led by Antonio Trillanes 4th, probably with the help of oligarchs and by the US intelligence services, started plotting to portray Duterte as a Chinese puppet, to justify a coup d'etat against him.
The opposition obviously has become desperate to win power through an election. Less than a year before the May 9 elections and five months to the last day for the filing of certificate of elections, there isn't any opposition figure at all that could compete with Duterte's anointed. Even the Yellows' last hope, Vice President Leni Robredo, has all but given up, announcing she prefers to run as governor of Camarines Sur. Trillanes, through social media, asked that wacky group called 1Sampayan claiming to lead the opposition to take him in as its presidential candidate. The group didn't even bother to reply to him.
A coup is the only way to stop a Duterte 2.0 regime and bring the country back under the American eagle's wings.
The US indeed is now under a Democratic Party president, Joe Biden, who would drastically reverse Trump's distancing his country from any involvement in Asia.
Pivot
Biden in fact appointed as his right-hand man to deal with Asia Kurt Campbell, architect of the Obama administration's "Pivot to Asia" that was a thinly disguised campaign to contain the rise of China as a superpower in Asia.
Campbell was the diplomat who fooled ambassador Jose Cuisia and Foreign Affairs Secretary Rosario into believing China had agreed to a simultaneous withdrawal from Scarborough Shoal in June 2012. I bet Campbell is confident he can fool the Philippines again in at least reversing Duterte's rapprochement policy with China.
It is so ignorant, stupid and disgraceful for these retired generals to claim in their statement we are in "conflict with China." Don't they realize the import of such a statement when uttered by retired generals? It is a message: "We are at war with China."
We are not in conflict with China. We merely have a territorial dispute with it, just as we have such disputes with other claimants in the Spratly - Vietnam, Taiwan and Malaysia. There are currently 150 unresolved territorial disputes in the world and only a handful - including that between the Palestinians and the Zionists - have led to military conflict.
Disputes
Aquino and the Yellows merely chose to worsen our disputes with China, first to clear the way for an oligarchic group's* gas extraction project in the disputed Reed Bank and to provoke China to a stand-off in Scarborough Shoal, both of which led to some public opinion to support the arbitration suit against China in 2013.

What for? For the US, which had wanted to demonize China as a creeping invader in the South China Sea and to provide its navy some justification for its patrols in the area, which it got when the arbitral tribunal ruled as illegal China's nine-dash line.
The generals who issued the statement should stop calling themselves "Advocates for National Interest." They are advocates for national insanity.
Tell these retired generals and colonels they are being fooled by convicted mutineers. They include: Ramon Farolan, Renato de Villa, Rodolfo Biazon, Plaridel Abaya, Plaridel Garcia, Niceto Festin, Renato Valencia, Recaredo Sarmiento, Guillermo Cunanan, Mariano Santiago, Melchor Rosales, Alejandro Flores, Eliseo Rio Jr., Emilio Marayag Jr., Alexander Yano, Eduardo Oban, Emmanuel Bautista and Edilberto Adan.
In a succeeding column I'll expose as lies each and every allegation they (or Acedillo) raised in that statement.
*See my column: "Salim (aka MVP), Razon, Ongpin's project behind Aquino's discord with China," May 10, 2021
Trillanes is as delusional as one can be. That's why he's mockingly called "Trililing" by ordinary Filipinos who dislike his empty suit and false bravado. I don't he's well liked by his own colleagues in the Senate during his time as a useless senator. This dude is an attention seeking gasbag mix with Aguinaldo/Mussoloni showboating lol..

I have been discussing the route of coup de tat possibility to my closest Filipino friends due to political desperation of Duterte's enemies seeing that there's no political path to victory for them in the coming Presidential election. Usually during the last 2 years of the incumbent President the lustre, political hold and persuasions erode considerably just as the case with Pres. Benigno Aquino where his favorably ratings went down from the slaying of special police force in Mindanao through the unfortunate deaths of children from the bad vaccines procured by his government.

Duterte on the other hand seem to skate swimmingly well despite facing the most damaging pandemic in a 100 years in the world history and considering the structural deficit of health infrastructures in the Philippines, the country is able to eek by with the strong pragmatic leadership of Duterte by not playing along with his American bootlicking critics who were at first excited by the opportunity to lambaste, ridicule Duterte's enthusiastic willingness to accept and procure Chinese vaccines. Which looking back not accepting the Chinese vaccine would have been calamitous to the people in that country. And as we can all witness to see and experience in South East Asia as with the case of Taiwan who were willing lapdogs for American empty promises are left struggling to cope with the spike of Covid-19 cases.

Every possible hopes and moves made by Duterte's political opponents have turned out to be nothing but hot air and duds. And Duterte's acute reading of the Philippines geopolitical fault lines between the current hegemon, the U.S. and the rising power and the giant of Asia was and is a stroke of political genius.

Duterte will be missed and he will leave a legacy that'll forever change the strategic trajectory of the Philippines relations with the U.S. and it's pivot to China as a strategic partner.
 

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