China's SCS Strategy Thread

voyager1

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For weeks the Defence Minister Delfin Lorenzana has been screaming for the Chinese boats to leave. Even sent fighter jets to buzz them. Nothing happened.
Then some naval ships come in.They leave. Maybe its just coincidence. Maybe I don't really know what is really going on. But it sure looks like one hell of theater.

Then coupled with Duterte's rethoric this week about sending a warship to stake the PH's claims for oil exploration. No word of anger from China. No PLAN coming over to stake China's claim. Its almost, so nice.

Imagine if Japan had sent JMSDF naval warships to chase away Chinese boats at Diaoyu Islands, I don't think China would ever let Japan get away that easily.

Well since Duterte is a genuine friend of China unlike (ahem) Modi. I'm willing to let my own personal bias give him the benefit of the doubt. Duterte may have pulled a rabbit out of the hat. He had decisively answered his critics regarding allegations about him "kowtowing to China" . The US is now in doubt as to whether he truly is in China's pocket. They might lay off him abit. So now he can concentrate on the domestic politics. And China can return to business as usual with the PH.
Yes. I doubt that the Chinese wouldn't give "face" to Duterte. He has shown that he is a pragmatic leader and he is not a US puppet. Plus the PR boost he will get from the "strongman" image is quite useful.

The only bad thing is that anti-China propaganda is getting stronger and stronger. Hopefully Philippines will eventually jail the CIA traitors inside their country
 

Sardaukar20

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Yes. I doubt that the Chinese wouldn't give "face" to Duterte. He has shown that he is a pragmatic leader and he is not a US puppet. Plus the PR boost he will get from the "strongman" image is quite useful.

The only bad thing is that anti-China propaganda is getting stronger and stronger. Hopefully Philippines will eventually jail the CIA traitors inside their country
Duterte had once said before his last election, that he'll be a dictator only to the criminals and drug lords. Too bad slanderous CIA-sponsored traitors are in a grey area. They do not fit the bill as 'criminals' in most conventional laws. So far Duterte was only able to deal with some of them by suing them for defamation.

Since PH is still essentially a democratic state. Duterte is and should follow the path of Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore. Sue the crap out of slanderous opposition idiots, instead of directly jailing them. Make them irrelevant and bankrupt. But at the same time, deliver results in governance. Then, more importantly, maybe try to reform the electoral system in the PH to favour more for people like him. True patriots and nation builders. And that same system would also silence or weaken the influence of corrupt politicians, traitors, and idiots. This is a strange form of 'democratic authoritarianism', that is used by LKY in Singapore.

That's what allowed LKY to secure his party, the PAP and his legacy in Singapore till today. The PAP has plenty of enemies in Singapore. But because of their competence, and conveniently biased electoral system. And with the opposition so irrelevant. Their irongrip on power is rivaled only by the CPC in China. All other ASEAN democracies have changed ruling parties at least once since their founding. But not Singapore so far.
 
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voyager1

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Duterte had once said before his last election, that he'll be a dictator only to the criminals and drug lords. Too bad slanderous CIA-sponsored traitors are in a grey area. They do not fit the bill as 'criminals' in most conventional laws. So far Duterte was only able to deal with some of them by suing them for defamation.

Since PH is still essentially a democratic state. Duterte is and should follow the path of Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore. Sue the crap out of slanderous opposition idiots, instead of directly jailing them. Make them irrelevant and bankrupt. But at the same time, deliver results in governance. Then, more importantly, maybe try to reform the electoral system in the PH to favour more for people like him. True patriots and nation builders. And that same system would also silence or weaken the influence of corrupt politicians, traitors, and idiots. This is a strange form of 'democratic authoritarianism', that is used by LKY in Singapore.

That's what allowed LKY to secure his party, the PAP and his legacy in Singapore till today. The PAP has plenty of enemies in Singapore. But because of their competence, and conveniently biased electoral system. And with the opposition so irrelevant. Their irongrip on power is rivaled only by the CPC in China. All other ASEAN democracies have changed ruling parties at least once since their founding. But not Singapore so far.
Philippines is kinda a losing battle.

Say what you want but they have limited themselves. Duterte is not allowed to run again and this is a big problem

Reform is urgently needed at its political system. Duterte is a person who should be the "Paramount leader" of Philippines, similar to China. A person who would be able to fundamentally reform the state.

Unfortunately he wont be able to achieve much in such a little time. As we have just seen, the CIA is everywhere there. The political, media, NGOs systems are all CIA dominated
 
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ansy1968

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Duterte had once said before his last election, that he'll be a dictator only to the criminals and drug lords. Too bad slanderous CIA-sponsored traitors are in a grey area. They do not fit the bill as 'criminals' in most conventional laws. So far Duterte was only able to deal with some of them by suing them for defamation.

Since PH is still essentially a democratic state. Duterte is and should follow the path of Lee Kuan Yew in Singapore. Sue the crap out of slanderous opposition idiots, instead of directly jailing them. Make them irrelevant and bankrupt. But at the same time, deliver results in governance. This is a strange form of 'democratic authoritarianism' probably invented by LKY.

That's what allowed LKY to secure jis party, the PAP and his legacy in Singapore till today. The PAP has plenty of enemies in Singapore. But because of their competence, and conveniently biased electoral system. And with the opposition so irrelevant. Their irongrip on power is rivaled only by the CPC in China. All other ASEAN democracies have changed ruling parties at least once since their founding. But not Singapore so far.
@Sardaukar20 bro some members here may not like my comment and I will apologized in advance, But Duterte ain't like LKY, he is bigger, lets compare their career since Singapore is a City State its better to start when Duterte is mayor of Davao. When the British left Singapore, it had a major port so LKY had an asset to rely on, while Davao a backwater municipality is a killing field and no assets who in her right mind will invest there. Singapore during those day had well established institution, while Davao had none (police and judges are being killed in broad daylight) . both had the same ethnic and religious problem and Davao is way bigger than Singapore with more people. Both are lawyers with LKY having studied abroad maybe more savvy, their approaches are the same but Duterte need to show leadership and become a strongman cause his problem is way bigger. You need to have peace and order first to be able to achieve economic prosperity and he had his hand dirty precisely to achieve that. LKY is more refine and the press loves him, Duterte speak his mind without the care of the world and he use cursed language to make his point. LKY is strict and aloft while Duterte the punisher is also strict but had empathy with people. So I maybe biased but I rest my case, Duterte respect LKY cause he is a great man but he idolized MAO and Deng more cause the situation they are in at that time are similar. Ohh and one more thing LKY is building a city state while Duterte is building a nation, which one is difficult I leave it for you to decide.
 
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Andy1974

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Philippines is kinda a losing battle.

Say what you want but they have limited themselves. Duterte is not allowed to run again and this is a big problem

Reform is urgently needed at its political system. Duterte is a person who should be the "Paramount leader" of Philippines, similar to China. A person who would be able to fundamentally reform the state.

Unfortunately he wont be able to achieve much in such a little time. As we have just seen, the CIA is everywhere there. The political, media, NGOs systems are in CIA pockets
Putin was also not allowed to run again, yet here we are.
 

voyager1

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Putin was also not allowed to run again, yet here we are.
I dont think that Duterte has the political capital to do the same. Philippines is significantly more infiltrated by the CIA than Russia. Russia had its formidable KGB and FSB (?) to defend their country.

Plus lets not forget that the Fillipinos are also more western worshipping than Russia.

Things are not looking great right now. We will see who he names as a successor and if the CIA will let that person be elected
 

ansy1968

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I dont think that Duterte has the political capital to do the same. Philippines is significantly more infiltrated by the CIA than Russia. Russia had its formidable KGB and FSB (?) to defend their country.

Plus lets not forget that the Fillipinos are also more western worshipping than Russia.

Things are not looking great right now. We will see who he names as a successor and if the CIA will let that person be elected
@voyager1 bro I may deviating from topic but please allow me just this one ;) , you're wrong we loved and dream of Russian woman than American girls....LOL
 
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Hendrik_2000

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@Sardaukar20 bro some members here may not like my comment and I will apologized in advance, But Duterte ain't like LKY, he is bigger, lets compare their career since Singapore is a City State its better to start when Duterte is mayor of Davao. When the British left Singapore, it had a major port so LKY had an asset to rely on, while Davao a backwater municipality is a killing field and no assets who in her right mind will invest there. Singapore during those day had well established institution, while Davao had none (police and judges are being killed in broad daylight) . both had the same ethnic and religious problem and Davao is way bigger than Singapore with more people. Both are lawyers with LKY having studied abroad maybe more savvy, their approaches are the same but Duterte need to show leadership and become a strongman cause his problem is way bigger. You need to have peace and order first to be able to achieve economic prosperity and he had his hand dirty precisely to achieve that. LKY is more refine and the press loves him, Duterte speak his mind without the care of the world and he use cursed language to make his point. LKY is strict and aloft while Duterte the punisher is also strict but had empathy with people. So I maybe biased but I rest my case, Duterte respect LKY cause he is a great man but he idolized MAO and Deng more cause the situation they are in at that time are similar. Ohh and one more thing LKY is building a city state while Duterte is building a nation, which one is difficult I leave it for you to decide.
Well you forgot to mention that Phillipine in 1950's an 1960's is the richest and stable SEA states while Singapore is dirt poor. Then Singapore was kicked out from Malaysia federation with LKY cry in public. With no hinterland and no market what are you going to do?. While at the same time the British left depriving Singapore her largest employer since British basing provide the largest jobs. At the same tine Singapore face mortal danger because of Indonesia "konfrontasi politic" They actually send 2 marine to plant bomb at orchard road. Then you get communal strife in Malaysia when the Malay hacked and killed the Chinese causing demand for revenge in Singapore.

I think the difference is leadership Singapore is blessed with capable and honest leadership LKY is not the only one. I doubt he alone will make the difference He galvanize, cajole and plead with the population but His team did the job. Principle among them in Dr Goh Keng Swee people outside Singapore and Malaysia does not know him But he is the genius behind Singapore miracle . He created the institution that enable Singapore to achieve prosperity. Born in Melacca from peranakan family he does not speak Chinese at all not even dialect.

But he has brilliant mind send to London to study economic he excel at school and got his Phd . There he met LKY and Toh Chin Chye another peranakan. Returning to Singapore he went to work for ministry of social welfare and was tasked to study poverty in Singapore. He did field study and was aghast at poverty in Singapore he see 6 or 7 people live in small room. He said British did poor job and did nothing to alleviate poverty. He vowed he will built a prosperous Singapore. But he soon realize without political independence nothing he could do. So together with LKY and Toh Chin Chye they form PAP But they are minnow compare to Communist at that time who has superb organization and won the loyalty of majority of Chinese. So they did cooperate with the communist at the beginning and learning how they built their organization. But the communist make a mistake by organizing riot and prompting a hard crack down by then chief minister Lim Yew Hock another peranakan.
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But he lost the trust of Chinese majority because of his hard crack down on the communist. Giving LKY and PAP opening and finally won the election.

Dr Goh then did his work He first built the port and Jurong industrial estate, He created MAS monetary authority of Singapore with Hon Sui Sen a Penang peranakan, He founded the army and instituted the military service for every Singapore, together with Lim Kim San another peranakan
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he founded the HDB that built cheap house for poor Singapore.

Dr Goh built every institution you see in Singapore today. He retired from politic but that is not the end of his career . IN 1985 he was asked by Chinese government to help with reform and opening up He went to China and spend the next 7 years there together with his old team that built Singapore. He instrumental and forming the frame work for SEZ that become the template for country wide reform in China

His only blemish is personal life he divorces his wife and married his assistant! He died in 2010
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Just like in Malaysia and Singapore, Phillipine the ruling class in those countries are Mestizo but unlike in Phillipine the mestizo still retain much of their Confucian principle for working for the benefit of the people and live the life of true Confucian scholar and official
 
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