China's SCS Strategy Thread

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Well, well who else are having dispute in SCS. I thought they settle the Pedra Branca island ownership long time ago
But apparently not Malaysia resurrect the dispute once again
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Malaysia, Singapore in South China Sea stoush
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    A map of the contested island of Pedra Branca, also known as Pulau Batu Puteh. (SBS News)

The ownership of a tiny South China Sea island in the middle of a busy shipping lane has created a stoush between Malaysia and Singapore.
By
Jarni Blakkarly

1 Mar 2017 - 6:46 PM UPDATED YESTERDAY 8:54 PM
Malaysia is challenging Singapore’s ownership of a tiny rocky island in the middle of one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.

It is the latest event in a series of South China Sea territorial disputes between Asian nations.

Last month Malaysia asked the International Court of Justice in The Hague to review a 2008 decision granting Singapore ownership of island, which lies between the South China Sea and the Singapore Strait.

The island, referred to as Pedra Branca by Singapore and Pulau Batu Puteh by Malaysia, is roughly the size of a football field and has a lighthouse and helipad on it.


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Yet another twist in the South China Seas controversy
SBS World News Radio: Malaysia contests Singapore's ownership of a tiny rocky island on the edge of the South China Sea at the International Court of Justice in The Hague.
Despite the island’s size, Australian National University international law professor Donald Rothwell said its strategic location, in one of the busiest bottle-necks for maritime trade in the world, made it significant.

“Singapore in particular is very constrained by the geographical proximity of Malaysia and Indonesia, it is not entitled to assert the same maritime claims as many of the neighbouring states because it is geographically compromised,” Professor Rothwell told SBS News.

“Even though these features are very small, they are well worth contesting because of the potential maritime entitlements they generate”

The island, along with several other contest rocks, lie about 40 kilometres east of Singapore's main island and 19 kilometres south of the Malaysian state of Johor.

A British colonial era telegram and a navy log which make reference to the island were uncovered in the British archives last year and are the basis of Malaysia’s new claim.

Singapore became an independent nation in 1965 after it was expelled from the Malaysian Federation, a union of former British colonies.

Pedra Branca means ‘white rock’ in Portuguese and Pulau Batu Puteh the same in Malay, a reference to the bird droppings that regularly cover the rocks.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
You underestimate Trump at your own peril. There's little indication Trump has personal enmity towards China, so his drive to neuter it is interest driven. He sees a strong, wealthy, and fully reemerged China as a threat to American primacy, so he'll do what he can to prevent it. And guess what? Trump is right! China is the biggest threat the US has ever faced, bigger than the Soviet Union, bigger than Nazi Germany, bigger than imperial Germany, and bigger than imperial Japan. The man-love for Putin/Russia is probably Trump's clumsy effort to imitate Richard Nixon and peal Russia away from China, so it could join a containment coalition. So far, it's an epic Trump fail, but he gets an 'A' for effort.

I'd support him if I thought it was possible to peacefully contain China, but that train left the station a decade ago, and I think power sharing is the next best option.

Overestimate Trump at your own peril. I mean at first he tries to use Taiwan as a his trump card (no pun intended) to "get a better deal with China" and later on back track and keep the status quo by adhering to the One China policy. o_O
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Overestimate Trump at your own peril. I mean at first he tries to use Taiwan as a his trump card (no pun intended) to "get a better deal with China" and later on back track and keep the status quo by adhering to the One China policy. o_O

the thing with Trump is you can't really overestimate or underestimate him because there is no way to know what he's going to do. i've been watching him since Jan 20th and he TALKS TOO MUCH! he says one thing, then contradicts himself the next day. sometimes he sounds really intelligent and sincere, then other times he mouths off like an idiot. it's impossible to gauge what he means by just listening to him talk. so the best way is to ignore his words and look at what he actually does. he's been tough on China in ''words'' but so far i see no bite.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
the thing with Trump is you can't really overestimate or underestimate him because there is no way to know what he's going to do. i've been watching him since Jan 20th and he TALKS TOO MUCH! he says one thing, then contradicts himself the next day. sometimes he sounds really intelligent and sincere, then other times he mouths off like an idiot. it's impossible to gauge what he means by just listening to him talk. so the best way is to ignore his words and look at what he actually does. he's been tough on China in ''words'' but so far i see no bite.
Exactly! Trumps tweet are worse than his bark, never mind any hope of biting.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Overestimate Trump at your own peril. I mean at first he tries to use Taiwan as a his trump card (no pun intended) to "get a better deal with China" and later on back track and keep the status quo by adhering to the One China policy. o_O
Populist leaders must come through with their campaign promises, or lose popular support. Trump is one such leader, and in addition, he's a zealot of American exceptionalism and deeply patriotic and nationalistic. There's no doubt he already has achieved some of his campaign promises, and he'll continue to strive for the remainder. Will he achieve all he said during the campaign? Probably not, but I think he will achieve what he deem the most important. In some ways, Trump is like an unpolished version of Xi Jinping, with his own brand of 'America Dream.' Trump is the most disruptive force America has seen since WW2, and he will accomplish much for the 'general welfare' of the US, unfortunately, he will also do much harm too. I don't know what the cost/benefit balance is, but I suspect more bad than good.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
Populist leaders must come through with their campaign promises, or lose popular support. Trump is one such leader, and in addition, he's a zealot of American exceptionalism and deeply patriotic and nationalistic. There's no doubt he already has achieved some of his campaign promises, and he'll continue to strive for the remainder. Will he achieve all he said during the campaign? Probably not, but I think he will achieve what he deem the most important. In some ways, Trump is like an unpolished version of Xi Jinping, with his own brand of 'America Dream.' Trump is the most disruptive force America has seen since WW2, and he will accomplish much for the 'general welfare' of the US, unfortunately, he will also do much harm too. I don't know what the cost/benefit balance is, but I suspect more bad than good.
Don't insult Xi Jinping by comparing Trump to him. Trump is only gonna do things that are popular to the Good ole boys crowd and nothing more.
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
Don't insult Xi Jinping by comparing Trump to him. Trump is only gonna do things that are popular to the Good ole boys crowd and nothing more.
Do you have anything of substance to offer? If not, we'll just have to agree to disagree on the topic. However, I'd like to see some reasoning from you and see if we could actually hold a rational discussion on this subject. To restart it, I point to post #4315:

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinas-scs-strategy-thread.t3118/page-432#post-440696
 

Equation

Lieutenant General

Equation

Lieutenant General
I think in your heart you know that's just silly and unsupportable by facts.
I think you miscalculating the majority of the American people's towards Trump. Look away and ignore them at your own peril and try not to blame Obama or the "liberal" media for the demise.
 
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