China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Steve Bannon is a crazy christian-zionist. He believe there is some kind of muslim conspiracy against the west which is a totally ridiculous idea. It is obvious that Trump, Bannon and Flynn want to use christianity as a force to rally people in the west and use zionism for support from the influiental jewish community. Thats also why they are supporting a reapproachment with Russia, a mainly orthodox christian nation. Are they going to succeed? The long term plan may be a revolt or color revolution where christian proxy elements in China play a cruicial role.
Why exactly is SCS this important for America? Why risk everything by going to war over a few rocks in middle of the ocean, thousand of miles from US territory? I think the answer is simply pride. America prides itself as the top dog, the goal of humanity, utterly invincible. There is no room for absolute security of other great nations. It sounds like a collective psychosis to me. The political establishment in America has to change its world view. Rest of the world is finished with great wars. Hell, they are even tired of smaller wars.
The world want economical and social Development, not wars. Can America deliver?
Why isn't he on a ban list?
plawolf
Lieutenant General
I don't really think its pride. America has no skin in the game as far as the SCS is concerned. It is only an issue because the Obama administration used it as a pretext and excuse to insert itself more into Asia as part of the pivot.
Trump had a golden opportunity to break with that failed strategy, but instead he seems to be doubling down.
I think the main reason is American politics and his bully boy personality.
He wants re-approachment with Russia, maybe because Russia has something on him and/or because he thinks Russia is tough because of their aggressive foreign policy and recent use of military force. But he also recognises the value of having some foreign threat he can be tough on so he can't be criticised of being 'soft' or 'weak'.
With the traditional boogy man Russia now off limits, China becomes the obvious target.
Trump probably also thinks like a typical bully that the only reason someone doesn't throw their weight around is because they are weak physically and/or mentally, so can't or won't stand up for themselves.
We also have to be weary of the people who has his ear.
With religious fanatics of all stripes, logic and reason often doesn't factor highly in their thought and decision making process.
Logically, it makes zero sense for America to have a war with China, but if some religious nut job thinks China is the mythical threat from the east his dusty holy text warns him about, well, all bets are off.
Equation
Lieutenant General
Steve Bannon is your typical Good Ole Boys entitlement that are not used to seeing the world changing around them. If those that thinks like him believed that the entire world revolves around their Judeo-Christian view than they have another thing coming. To me the likes of him are no different than ISO.
Blackstone
Brigadier
Bannon's statement is likely inflated for a radio show. We should take into account at the time of the interview, he was a businessman doing what he thought was best for Breitbart news. Now that he's a top policy advisor to President Trump, where his statements can produce unintended domestic and international consequences, I doubt he'd so carelessly predict developing Sino-American relations in such stark terms- at least initially anyway.
Equation
Lieutenant General
It don't matter, it says a lot about his evil character and selfish intent. He basically doesn't want to see a rising China or any Arabic Muslim region would diminish his precious Judeo-Christian value, that's the bottom line of his argument.
Blackstone
Brigadier
So what? People all over the world prefer their own culture and religion over others. No need for Bannon to apologize standing up for Judeo-Christian values that basically built the modern world as we know it. Don't get me wrong, I don't like Trump, Bannon, Navaro, Tillerson, or Moore pushing China containment and even threatening war- how stupid is that?- but standing up for one's country, culture, traditions, yada yada is perfectly fine, as long as we don't get too much of a good thing.
So, from that perspective, I don't think Bannon crossed the line, yet. But, I'm keeping an eye on Tillerson, because there was nothing positive about what came out of his mouth on "not allowing" China to access its own sovereign territory. That's called an act of war. If he misspoke, then the dude is an idiot and shouldn't be Secretary of State, and if he didn't misspeak and had Trump's blessing to say it, then both dudes need adult supervision.
vesicles
Colonel
The past 2 weeks felt like a bunch of toddlers found their way into an office and made a mess...
Hanging up on the AUS PM?! I understand that Trump wants to be firm with his allies. However, being firm does not mean being disrespectful. Hanging up on someone is extremely disrespectful. I would not do that to an extremely annoying sales person on the phone, let alone an important ally.
Hanging up on the AUS PM?! I understand that Trump wants to be firm with his allies. However, being firm does not mean being disrespectful. Hanging up on someone is extremely disrespectful. I would not do that to an extremely annoying sales person on the phone, let alone an important ally.
Lethe
Captain
I disagree. It is hardly notable that an American does not wish to see his nation displaced from the pre-eminent position it has enjoyed in world affairs for the past 75 years or so. What is notable is that Bannon apparently believes that war with China is inevitable. This is important because if war between the United States and China is believed to be inevitable, then it is to the United States' advantage to fight that war as soon as possible, before the balance of power shifts in China's favour.
This is similar to Germany's position in 1914 -- Germany believed that the balance of power with Russia was shifting against it, and therefore was willing to risk a conflict that was better fought now than later.
If Bannon (or those who believe as he does) plays a significant role in setting White House policy towards China, we can expect the United States to attempt to back China into a corner from which it has no recourse but to use force, this providing the excuse for a declaration of war aimed at dismantling China's military forces and advanced industrial capacities, thereby restoring US hegemony. At the very least we can expect Washington to be less than enthusiastic about diplomatic processes or policy options that would reduce, rather than increase tensions. In short, with Bannon at the helm China confronts a nation for whom peace is secondary to . Beijing should prepare and act accordingly.
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