China's SCS Strategy Thread

PiSigma

"the engineer"
US oil independence is a lie. Believe me I would know since my former CEO may become the next secretary of state (Rex Tillerson). The US produces around 8.5 to 9 millions barrels/day, at its peak in 2014 it barely approached 10 million, but it wasn't able to sustain it. The consumption is about double that at close to 19 million per day. Canada, is the largest exporter of oil to US, which can not be easily replaced. Since most of the Canadian crude exported to the US is heavy, which is then mixed with the light crude produced in Bakken, Permian, Eagleford and Gulf coast in Midwest and texas refineries for refined products. If US want to produce 19 mbpd, then oil needs about $110 per barrel for the economics to work in favour of shale oil. But once again, heavier crudes are needed to mix with the light. Also, most of the the economical shale formations are already drilled, so the add another 10 mbpd of production crappy wells with poor payback and fast well depreciation will need to be put into production. Exxon stayed out of the shale game for a long time because we realized this fact and knows it is not a long term solution.

Now back to China's oil production. China actually produce more than Canada, but of course just uses all of it. Their production has been going down in the last two years due to lack of investment (like everywhere else) but they do have large reserves. Also, China has the largest shale oil/gas reserves in the world, larger than US. The only issue is shale production is water intensive, which is a challenge in China.

It is practically impossible to embargo oil since it is a global product. If there is ever an embargo of oil again China, then China will simply stop buying it in dollars and inyuan. Which would produce a larger problem for the US. After all the dollar is a petrol currency for a reason, and it is one of the pillars keeping the dollar high. Once other countries sees oil sales not in dollars, US dollar would crash.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I want to add that China also has one of the largest offshore oil deposit but they hardly exploit the reserve because for a long time they lacked the technology and capital to developed the offshore oil. In us the new field are all offshore. GOM is one of the most fertile offshore field in the world. But offshore oil exploration and production is expensive and high tech.

But now China start to developed the technology and has the capital to put in offshore production platform.
They are now self sufficient in Drilling rig and supporting vessel for exploration. Not sure about production platform.
Daqing oil filed is declining but using enhanced recovery they can still be productive for number of year . Like what Chevron did in Riau oilfield that has been producing oil about 100 years!. their newer oil fields is in Xinjiang
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Chinese oil reserves as of 2009
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's oil endowment by its state owned oil companies, mainly
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Province started producing in 1960, and by 1963 was producing nearly 2.3 million tons of oil. Production from
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declined, but in 1965,
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yielded enough oil to nearly eliminate the need of importing
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. In 2002, annual crude petroleum production was 1,298,000,000 barrels, and annual crude petroleum consumption was 1,670,000,000 barrels.
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Ultra

Junior Member
You're forgetting why China needs most of that oil: to manufacture goods for the rest of the world.

In times of economic blockade, all it matters is that China produces sufficient oil for its own consumption.

Furthermore, China is developing land-based oil delivery lines, further improving its oil security.


No it isn't. China needs those oil for its own use. Did you know that majority of the oil usage are used as FUEL for vehicles, like 70% and only less than 25% are use for industrial production (like plastics, synthetic materials and various uses). With more and more Chinese now buying cars like there is no tomorrow, that need for oil will only quadriple.

U.S. Petroleum Consumption by Sector (2013)
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The only way out of this is green energy with electric cars - the reason why such a big drive for electric vehicles in China. But the real question is, does China have enough lithium for this kind of demand for electric cars?
 
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solarz

Brigadier
No it isn't. China needs those oil for its own use. Did you know that majority of the oil usage are used as FUEL for vehicles, like 70% and only less than 25% are use for industrial production (like plastics, synthetic materials and various uses). With more and more Chinese now buying cars like there is no tomorrow, that need for oil will only quadriple.

U.S. Petroleum Consumption by Sector (2013)
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The only way out of this is green energy with electric cars - the reason why such a big drive for electric vehicles in China. But the real question is, does China have enough lithium for this kind of demand for electric cars?

You claim China uses most of its oil for vehicles, yet use a US chart as evidence?? o_O

FYI, here's the chart you want:

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weig2000

Captain
No it isn't. China needs those oil for its own use. Did you know that majority of the oil usage are used as FUEL for vehicles, like 70% and only less than 25% are use for industrial production (like plastics, synthetic materials and various uses). With more and more Chinese now buying cars like there is no tomorrow, that need for oil will only quadriple.

U.S. Petroleum Consumption by Sector (2013)
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The only way out of this is green energy with electric cars - the reason why such a big drive for electric vehicles in China. But the real question is, does China have enough lithium for this kind of demand for electric cars?

China's oil usage pattern is quite different from the US, as shown by solarz's post below. But you're also right that China's auto sales are going crazy. In November, China's monthly auto production has for the first time exceeds 3 million units (production 3.01 million, sales 2.94 million). For the entire 2016, auto sales is expected to be around 28 million units. That's huge.

Auto sales is good for the economy growth, obviously, but it also creates also problems, like traffic congestion and air pollution. That's also why the government is encouraging and subsiding electric car purchases. Chinese society does not rely on cars as much as the US - a gas price hike like what happened back in 2008 could potentially cripple the US. China has far better mass transportation infrastructure, what with its huge high-speed rail network, subways, buses. It is also the world's largest market for car-sharing, by far. Therefore Chinese economy and society are far better equipped to deal with high oil price, with even some side benefits.
 

solarz

Brigadier
China's oil usage pattern is quite different from the US, as shown by solarz's post below. But you're also right that China's auto sales are going crazy. In November, China's monthly auto production has for the first time exceeds 3 million units (production 3.01 million, sales 2.94 million). For the entire 2016, auto sales is expected to be around 28 million units. That's huge.

Auto sales is good for the economy growth, obviously, but it also creates also problems, like traffic congestion and air pollution. That's also why the government is encouraging and subsiding electric car purchases. Chinese society does not rely on cars as much as the US - a gas price hike like what happened back in 2008 could potentially cripple the US. China has far better mass transportation infrastructure, what with its huge high-speed rail network, subways, buses. It is also the world's largest market for car-sharing, by far. Therefore Chinese economy and society are far better equipped to deal with high oil price, with even some side benefits.

It's also good to keep in mind that while owning a car is a necessity in much of North America, in China, it's most often a luxury.

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US has a vehicle ownership of 797 per 1000 people. China, in contrast, is only 128 per 1000 people.

Two fundamentally different dynamics.
 

weig2000

Captain
It's also good to keep in mind that while owning a car is a necessity in much of North America, in China, it's most often a luxury.

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US has a vehicle ownership of 797 per 1000 people. China, in contrast, is only 128 per 1000 people.

Two fundamentally different dynamics.

To be precise, it's not a necessity in China, but it's also not a luxury, not any more. If it were not because of the purchase restrictions put into place in many large cities in China, the car sales volume would be even higher. But China can not afford to have a car ownership rate anywhere close to that of the US, it would be a disaster.
 

solarz

Brigadier
To be precise, it's not a necessity in China, but it's also not a luxury, not any more. If it were not because of the purchase restrictions put into place in many large cities in China, the car sales volume would be even higher. But China can not afford to have a car ownership rate anywhere close to that of the US, it would be a disaster.

By luxury, I mean something that is not necessary for daily life and is more for status symbol than actual convenience. I think this is what the state of personal vehicle ownership is in China right now.

My best example is my wife's home town. It is literally small enough that a 5 yuan taxi ride can take you anywhere you want, back in 2009, yet in the few years since, almost everyone she knew bought a car.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
By luxury, I mean something that is not necessary for daily life and is more for status symbol than actual convenience. I think this is what the state of personal vehicle ownership is in China right now.

My best example is my wife's home town. It is literally small enough that a 5 yuan taxi ride can take you anywhere you want, back in 2009, yet in the few years since, almost everyone she knew bought a car.

In the U.S. the car plays an important part in the male mating ritual.Can you see the same thing happening in China?
 
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