China's SCS Strategy Thread

Blackstone

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Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said land reclamation in the SCS is halted. However, he didn't say anything about future island manufacturing operations, and it appears Secretary Kerry didn't press the issue, at least not publicly. Wang also said China wants to move forward on a SCS code of conduct, and my guess is no one took him seriously, not even Minister Wang Yi himself.

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KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Wednesday that Beijing had halted land reclamation in the South China Sea, and called on countries in the region to speed up talks on how claimant states should conduct themselves in the disputed waters.

In June, China said it would soon complete some of its reclamation in the Spratly archipelago of the South China Sea, while adding it would continue to build facilities on the man-made islands.

Wang's remarks at a regional meeting in Kuala Lumpur appeared designed to defuse tensions with other countries that lay claim to parts of the sea, through which $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year.

Beijing claims most of the waters, while the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan and Brunei have overlapping claims.

The United States and Japan have expressed alarm at China's expansion in the South China Sea, which they suspect is aimed at extending its military reach, and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry raised the issue with Wang in the Malaysian capital.

"China is always committed to working with the countries concerned to resolve disputes through peaceful negotiation," Wang told Kerry, according to a statement from the Chinese foreign ministry.

"Countries that are not in the region should respect the efforts made by China and ASEAN countries."

Wang made his remarks on the sidelines of meetings involving the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN), where tensions over the South China Sea have dominated talks this week.

When asked by a reporter whether China would temporarily halt reclamation work in the strategic waterway, he replied: "China has already stopped. You just take an aeroplane to take a look."

US Secretary of State John Kerry (L) and China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi talk before a bilatera …
Philippine foreign ministry spokesman Charles Jose said China had stopped reclamation because it had already formed its new islands.

"At the same time, China announced they are moving on to Phase 2, which is construction of facilities on the reclaimed features. The Philippines views these activities as destabilizing," Jose said.

In a statement, Japan's senior vice foreign minister Minoru Kiuchi "voiced deep concern over unilateral actions that change the status quo and heighten tensions in the South China Sea, including large-scale land reclamation, the construction of outposts and their use for military purposes".

China says the outposts will have undefined military purposes, as well as help with maritime search and rescue, disaster relief and navigation.

U.S. WORRIED BY "MILITARIZATION"

Wang told reporters that China and ASEAN countries shared a desire to advance the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea and resolve issues through dialogue.

They also wanted to strengthen cooperation in security and defense and maintain peace and stability in the area, he added.

Kerry had earlier expressed concern about China's land reclamation and construction on the man-made islands during talks with Wang, a senior State Department official said.

The official said Kerry told Wang that while Washington did not take a position on sovereignty claims in the South China Sea, it wanted to see them resolved peacefully and in accordance with international law.

Kerry also reiterated U.S. worries over the "militarization" of features on the Chinese-held islands in the Spratlys, the official added.

"He encouraged China, along with the other claimants, to halt problematic actions in order to create space for diplomacy," the official said.

Recent satellite images show China has almost finished building a 3,000-metre-long (10,000-foot) airstrip on one of its seven new islands in the Spratlys.

The airstrip will be long enough to accommodate most Chinese military aircraft, security experts have said, giving Beijing greater reach into the heart of maritime Southeast Asia.

China had said it did not want the South China Sea dispute raised at this week's ASEAN meetings, but some ministers, including from host Malaysia, rebuffed that call, saying the issue was too important to ignore.

China and Southeast Asian nations had agreed to set up a foreign ministers' hotline to tackle emergencies in the waterway, a senior ASEAN official said on Friday.

The senior State Department official said Kerry and Wang also discussed Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to the United States in September, as well as U.S. concerns over cybersecurity and human rights in China.

"They agreed there are many shared challenges that both countries should work closer together to address, such as climate change and development, and that more dialogue and cooperation between the United States and China remains vital," the official said.
 

Jeff Head

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Hehehe...the reclamation work has stopped because they have completed it on the seven projects they were working on.

But the construction projects and building of infrastructure on the resulting Islands is proceeding.

One day the PRC will announce that they have stopped that work too...once it is complete. LOL!
 

SampanViking

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Hehehe...the reclamation work has stopped because they have completed it on the seven projects they were working on.

But the construction projects and building of infrastructure on the resulting Islands is proceeding.

One day the PRC will announce that they have stopped that work too...once it is complete. LOL!

Precisely the point Jeff
Behind the tongue in cheek however I also detect a secondary message that there are other new projects that could be started, should they wish to do so.
That I surmise is the negotiating position being presented to ASEAN.
 

plawolf

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I think the timing is also significant, coming weeks after the likes of the US had been applying pressure trying to get Beijing to stop.

China deliberately resisted that pressure, and only made the decision and announcement to stop after all the media circus blew over, to make the point that it made the decision of its own accord, according to its own plans, and not because someone else pressured them to stop.

It would be a noteworthy point for Washington to heed about how to get China to do something (ie, playing hardball does not work, and in fact will only backfire), but I doubt anyone on Capital Hill is much interested, as China-bashing has always been an ends in of itself, especially during election years.
 

SampanViking

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Just to add, that the things to really look out for are signs of Pipeline and Oil/Gas storage and pumping stations.

Let us not lose sight of the fact, that the main purpose of these Islands (the bit that pays for everything else) is to act as local field collection centres for storage and onward piping to the Mainland or even tankering for local sale.
 

tidalwave

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in the future, China probably would have the SCO members to patrol South CHina Sea similar to what US is doing , inviting its allies to patrol SCS.

Probably Pakistan tangling with Philippino looks alot better on paper. It's more evenly matched. No one would complaint about Bullying.

In return , China would patrol in Indian Ocean to help out for other members.
 

nfgc

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It would be a noteworthy point for Washington to heed about how to get China to do something (ie, playing hardball does not work, and in fact will only backfire)...

Either a nation goes along with what China says and does, or China plays the victim, claims provocation, and then creates another dozen war films for CCTV. Claiming that the other SCS nations provoked China is aburd for China to state. The PI has almost no navy (much of it literally 75 years old rusting hulls), and is not a threat in any way to a nation 40x larger in gdp. Vietnam's is 1/5th the size, and so on. Yet China repeatedly uses language of provocation, aggressor, and so on.

There is no way to get China to do anything. Either one agrees to China's terms, or one is painted as the aggressor.

Regardless, China is going to do what it wants to do and nothing, no one, no nation or collection of nations, is going to stop them.

Thus the strategy for everyone else is either agree to everything China does, or China reacts to the 'provocation' of the other nation not being an obsequious toady.
 

JayBird

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Either a nation goes along with what China says and does, or China plays the victim, claims provocation, and then creates another dozen war films for CCTV. Claiming that the other SCS nations provoked China is aburd for China to state. The PI has almost no navy (much of it literally 75 years old rusting hulls), and is not a threat in any way to a nation 40x larger in gdp. Vietnam's is 1/5th the size, and so on. Yet China repeatedly uses language of provocation, aggressor, and so on.

There is no way to get China to do anything. Either one agrees to China's terms, or one is painted as the aggressor.

Regardless, China is going to do what it wants to do and nothing, no one, no nation or collection of nations, is going to stop them.

Thus the strategy for everyone else is either agree to everything China does, or China reacts to the 'provocation' of the other nation not being an obsequious toady.

The only reason Philippines barking so much and being provocative towards China is because the world's only superpower is behind and support it. So.. the size and strength don't matter in this case because Philippines is just the front. Philippines is just a pawn for the great powers of the world. It's a power play between the big boys.;)
 

plawolf

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Either a nation goes along with what China says and does, or China plays the victim, claims provocation, and then creates another dozen war films for CCTV.

What utter baseless flamebait nonsense. The irony could not be richer since its actually the likes of the Philippines who are the ones doing precisely what you accuse China of.

Claiming that the other SCS nations provoked China is aburd for China to state. The PI has almost no navy (much of it literally 75 years old rusting hulls), and is not a threat in any way to a nation 40x larger in gdp. Vietnam's is 1/5th the size, and so on. Yet China repeatedly uses language of provocation, aggressor, and so on.

And yet facts clearly contradict you.

The Philippines, and especially Vietnam, has occupied additional islands and had been building up and fortifying the islands and features they do hold as fast as they could for years and decades. China has protested peacefully about that, but the protests were ignored or brushed aside. Little wonder China has lost patience and decided to just do what they see as necessary to safeguard their interests in the area.

The Philippines Navy, not coast guard, staged a stand-off in Scarborough Shoal, where their biggest and most powerful warship cornered some Chinese fishing boats in the Shoal, yet did nothing more after boarding them other than wait for Chinese coast guard ships to turn up in order to create a stand-off.

Prominent Philippines politicians and leaders have made entire songs and dance events out of highly controversial visits to disputed islands and made highly provocative statements to anyone who would listen.

The Philippines coast guard opened fire on an unarmed Taiwanese fishing boat, killing its captain. There is a strong likelihood they mistaken it for a Chinese fishing boat.

The Philippines might be puny compared to China, but that is precisely why they have been deliberately perusing a strategy of provocation to try and get China to react, knowing their friends and sympathisers (maybe advisors?) in the west would make sure the western press only reported China's reaction and either downplayed or outright omitted mentioning the preceding act by the Philippines which directly caused the Chinese reaction.

The Philippines strategy is to play the victim to garner sympathy from an western audience only given half the picture to try and influence mainly American public opinion to support Obama's pivot to Asia and also to try and influence their arbitration case against China at the UN.

China doesn't need to play any victim because it has the raw power take whatever it wants in the South China Sea, any time it wants. The only thing stopping China is its own restraint.

You are only reduced to having to play the victim when you simply lack the means to get what you want and so want to try and trick and manipulate someone else to do all the heavy lifting for you.

There is no way to get China to do anything. Either one agrees to China's terms, or one is painted as the aggressor.

Well, if the only tools you ever use to try to get China to do anything are threats and abuse, what do you expect? :rolleyes:

Regardless, China is going to do what it wants to do and nothing, no one, no nation or collection of nations, is going to stop them.

Thus the strategy for everyone else is either agree to everything China does, or China reacts to the 'provocation' of the other nation not being an obsequious toady.

You keep saying China, yet the behaviour you describe seems to fit America and Russia a lot better. ;)
 
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