China's Defense Spending Thread

Michaelsinodef

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If they could've done so then they would have. Unfortunately Soviet Economy ran into the limits of centrally planned economy and eventually they realized communism doesn't work. Collapse of Soviet Union had nothing to do with military/security competetion with the West to even the slightest degree.
*They ran into the limits of THEIR implementation of central planning.

Thinking back, it was incredible how arrogant and stupid they were in thinking they could central plan so much without even the computers we have today.

Sure it helped for the war, but afterwards they should have only centrally planned for the most central parts of industry and allowed some markets, with levers to do adjustments if needed.
 

RoastGooseHKer

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When you're talking about decapitating brigade commanders, you're essentially saying the launch vehicles themselves are being attacked. I just don't see that happening.
Actually what I mean by decapitation is the PLARF commander and commissar (or even the commander and commissar of the entire Theatre Command) gets taken out since an adversary may have the intelligence of there the commanders and their families live and hide. It is like how the US and Israel were able to track down the Iranian supreme leader and all senior members of IRGC. It is also how the Ukrainians were able to hunt down senior Russian military officials outside their apartments. And during times of war, I would not rule out the possibility of several PLARF brigadier commanders being taken out right before a majour strike against Taiwan. I mean Washington already knows the names and addresses of pretty much every single PLARF flag officer and his unit locations.
 

manqiangrexue

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Actually what I mean by decapitation is the PLARF commander and commissar (or even the commander and commissar of the entire Theatre Command) gets taken out since an adversary may have the intelligence of there the commanders and their families live and hide. It is like how the US and Israel were able to track down the Iranian supreme leader and all senior members of IRGC. It is also how the Ukrainians were able to hunt down senior Russian military officials outside their apartments. And during times of war, I would not rule out the possibility of several PLARF brigadier commanders being taken out right before a majour strike against Taiwan. I mean Washington already knows the names and addresses of pretty much every single PLARF flag officer and his unit locations.
Decapitating a mouse and decapitating a bear are very different things. We all know the address of Donald Trump and the White House but it doesn't mean that it will be easy to strike it and kill him. The reason the US behaves like this currently is because it has exhausted every avenue it has of dealing with China. If it were confident against the PLA, it would not be doing these things that the US in its prime never bothered to do.

That said, China has even more depth than Iran... by a LOT. If there are corrupt PLA officers who get decapitation killed, it is guaranteed that instead of falling into disarray, a younger more hardline, tech-savy and merit-based generation of officers with far less concept of worshipping the USA takes their place to achieve victory.
 

manqiangrexue

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Actually what I mean by decapitation is the PLARF commander and commissar (or even the commander and commissar of the entire Theatre Command) gets taken out since an adversary may have the intelligence of there the commanders and their families live and hide. It is like how the US and Israel were able to track down the Iranian supreme leader and all senior members of IRGC. It is also how the Ukrainians were able to hunt down senior Russian military officials outside their apartments. And during times of war, I would not rule out the possibility of several PLARF brigadier commanders being taken out right before a majour strike against Taiwan. I mean Washington already knows the names and addresses of pretty much every single PLARF flag officer and his unit locations.
To continue on what I wrote, I am suddenly recalling a conversation I had about 12 years ago with a Chinese colleague. He's just a grad student with no special privileges or insider knowledge so take from it what you will but he said that there was very serious corruption in the upper ranks of the PLA. Many high ranking officers had investments and bank accounts in the US and children/spouses in the US. They would be the main enemy China faces in a conflict. He added that in the end, if there was a Sino-American conflict, he believes that China would still win, but with depth, not with initial success. He says he thinks that China will start the conflict very poorly and take significant damage, but then, the corruption will be revealed and either those old rotten generals will be killed or exposed and imprisoned. Once that happens, a young new generation of leadership will take over the PLA; ascended on merit, forged through hardship, driven by determination and unhindered by corruption, they will make China an unstoppable force and lead it to victory.

I didn't really think much about what he said... but now to think of it, a lot of old PLA generals were just purged by Xi, weren't they?
 

FairAndUnbiased

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But if you increase the size and number of launchers/munitions concentrated for a single brigade, the only thing an adversary needs to do is to decapitate the brigade commander and commissar like how the Israelis are doing to the Iranian military (and what Ukraine was able to do to Russian flag officers in 2022). You might as well increase the number of bridges in order to disperse long range missile launching capacity and alleviate the effect of the death of one bridge commander might have on the entire war.
you should bring this insight into the Iran thread.
 
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