China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread

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antiterror13

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So the same rate of increase as the previous years? Seriously, is Beijing not worried with the development in the WestPac at all??!!

Considering the increase defence budget of US (8%), Japan (26.3%) and Taiwan (12.9%) are quite high ...... hard to believe China would just increase just 7% ... likely double digit and I stick with my prediction 10 to 15%

And India increase defence budget 16% in 2023

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Biscuits

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Any intel info of what the Chinese defense budget in 2023 would be? ... do you guys think it will be double digit increase? ... my bet is 10-15% increase
Is what they seemingly need or maybe 30-40%. But betting on 7%.

Because they have always been either naive or just very confident. Since they're really not naive in any other topic, one must then somehow trust that they're confident for a good reason.
 

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Considering the increase defence budget of US (8%), Japan (26.3%) and Taiwan (12.9%) are quite high ...... hard to believe China would just increase just 7% ... likely double digit and I stick with my prediction 10 to 15%

And India increase defence budget 16% in 2023

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Long time lurker but important to note that these are nominal increases i.e. in cash terms.

US inflation (not exactly the right measure but good enough) is up 6.4%, so it is a 1.6% increase in real terms.
Japan inflation is 4.2% so it is a 20+% real terms increase.
India inflation is 6.5% so it is <10% in real terms.

China's inflation is 2.1%, so 7% would be approx 5% real terms increase.

All rough approximations (CPI inflation isn't entirely reflective of military expenditure + subtracting percentages) but these have to be considered when looking at spending.
 

bobsagget

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Is what they seemingly need or maybe 30-40%. But betting on 7%.

Because they have always been either naive or just very confident. Since they're really not naive in any other topic, one must then somehow trust that they're confident for a good reason.
china has 300 war heads not a to but thats a lot of bodies . China is smart not wasting money panicking when they know they can hit a button and kill a few million folks .
 

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Military deputies to 14th National People's Congress elected​


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EditorHuang Panyue
Time2023-02-20 18:00:43

BEIJING, Feb. 20 -- Twenty-six electoral units of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) and the People’s Armed Police (PAP) Force recently elected 281 deputies to the 14th National People's Congress (NPC).
The election work has been carried out since October 2022. In this general election, 358 candidates were nominated, 27.4% more compared to the actual deputies to be elected. Among them, 281 candidates were finally elected, including 93 grass-roots service members and professional technical officers, accounting for 33.1% and 3.5 percentage points higher than the previous term. There are 39 female deputies, accounting for 13.9% of the total and 2.3 percentage points higher than the previous term, and 17 ethnic minority deputies. And, there are 267 deputies with college degrees or above, accounting for 95% of the total, among which 140 deputies have graduate degree, accounting for 49.8%.
All the military deputies are members of the Communist Party of China (CPC), with 161 having received second-class merit citations or higher-level awards.

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Considering the increase defence budget of US (8%), Japan (26.3%) and Taiwan (12.9%) are quite high ...... hard to believe China would just increase just 7% ... likely double digit and I stick with my prediction 10 to 15%

And India increase defence budget 16% in 2023

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A lot of those countries need to spend big, you often pay more buying from other countries than if you produced it domestically. And all those nations pretty much buy from foreign sellers, war is a very profitable business for the USA. Rumors also say that China's actual military budget is much higher, the figure we know is just psyops to keep their adversaries guessing. And all those nations that rely on foreign made equipment will also need, repairs, replenishment, maintenance, upgrades etc and it all has to be delivered from an outside source, that leave a major vulnerability to any nations defense especially if that nation is divided by a huge ocean.
 

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For all those who have read Military Balance 2023 by IISS, my key observations on Mil Balance 2023 are as under:-
1. PLARF - 40 missile brigades whereas as per OSINT, it's at 43 nearly. It shows 8 brigades still UK whereas only 4 UK. 39 are nearly confirmed.

2. Counting only 2 DF41 brigades whereas there are minimum 3 & could be even 5. It clearly accepts 3 GLCM Brigades (one each CJ10, CJ 10A, CJ 100). So, the third Brigade of CJ100 is confirmed. However, it shows 54 each of CJ10 & CJ100 launchers. So, the quantity of launchers should be more.

3. In satellites, it's not counted Jilin on claimed civilian grounds. It has clearly accepted two satellites Shijian 17 & 21 as RV & proximity operations.

4. PLAA. It has completely messed up XMR's organizations. It has kept CABs total at 86 only (33 Heavy, 17 Medium, 25 light, 2 Air Assault, 6 Amphibious, 1 OPFOR).

5. MLRS. It says 175 PHLO3 (Nearly 9 Battalions) & 50 plus PCL191 (Nearly 3 Battalions). The actual figures are most probably more.

6. Tanks. It still talks about 600 T59s which is not more than 200 in service in worst case also. It pegs T96A at 1500 which can translate into minimum 14 Heavy CABs, 600 ZTZ99 (about 5 CABs), 600 ZZTZ99A (5 CABs), 1000 ZTZ96 (9 CABs). This total itself takes it to 33 Heavy CABs. But, XMR is in addition. Hence, T88s, T59s & T79s are in addition. So, even as per Military Balance, Mechanisation is still not complete particularly XMR.

7. On PCL181, it states 600 in store which is very interesting statement. Could be typo error. 600 PCL 181 listed makes minimum 30 Battalions. So, if we add 600 of store more, it makes 1200. Counting 15 Artillery Brigades & 4 more of XMR Divisions, it makes maximum requirements of 38 Battalions only. So, PLA might have minimum 500 PCL181 in store - as war reserves which is a major lesson from Ukraine and should concern Taiwan, Japan & India.

8. On UAVs & UCAVs, it's absolutely ambiguous.

9. AD. It has missed out on latest equipment.

10. PLAAF. 11 Brigades of J7 varieties, as per me, should not be more than 9. As a corollary, 6 Brigades of J16 & 5 of J20A is on the lower side.
 

Taiban

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For all those who have read Military Balance 2023 by IISS, my key observations on Mil Balance 2023 are as under:-
1. PLARF - 40 missile brigades whereas as per OSINT, it's at 43 nearly. It shows 8 brigades still UK whereas only 4 UK. 39 are nearly confirmed.

2. Counting only 2 DF41 brigades whereas there are minimum 3 & could be even 5. It clearly accepts 3 GLCM Brigades (one each CJ10, CJ 10A, CJ 100). So, the third Brigade of CJ100 is confirmed. However, it shows 54 each of CJ10 & CJ100 launchers. So, the quantity of launchers should be more.

3. In satellites, it's not counted Jilin on claimed civilian grounds. It has clearly accepted two satellites Shijian 17 & 21 as RV & proximity operations.

4. PLAA. It has completely messed up XMR's organizations. It has kept CABs total at 86 only (33 Heavy, 17 Medium, 25 light, 2 Air Assault, 6 Amphibious, 1 OPFOR).

5. MLRS. It says 175 PHLO3 (Nearly 9 Battalions) & 50 plus PCL191 (Nearly 3 Battalions). The actual figures are most probably more.

6. Tanks. It still talks about 600 T59s which is not more than 200 in service in worst case also. It pegs T96A at 1500 which can translate into minimum 14 Heavy CABs, 600 ZTZ99 (about 5 CABs), 600 ZZTZ99A (5 CABs), 1000 ZTZ96 (9 CABs). This total itself takes it to 33 Heavy CABs. But, XMR is in addition. Hence, T88s, T59s & T79s are in addition. So, even as per Military Balance, Mechanisation is still not complete particularly XMR.

7. On PCL181, it states 600 in store which is very interesting statement. Could be typo error. 600 PCL 181 listed makes minimum 30 Battalions. So, if we add 600 of store more, it makes 1200. Counting 15 Artillery Brigades & 4 more of XMR Divisions, it makes maximum requirements of 38 Battalions only. So, PLA might have minimum 500 PCL181 in store - as war reserves which is a major lesson from Ukraine and should concern Taiwan, Japan & India.

8. On UAVs & UCAVs, it's absolutely ambiguous.

9. AD. It has missed out on latest equipment.

10. PLAAF. 11 Brigades of J7 varieties, as per me, should not be more than 9. As a corollary, 6 Brigades of J16 & 5 of J20A is on the lower side.
11. WTC PLAAF.
a) It accepts Lhasa Base only with 1 SAM Brigade. So, Lhasa is an AD base only

b) It accepts 1 J20A brigade. One more could be under raising.

c) It shows one J10C Brigade which is actually the case. More will be made available from STC.

d) It doesn't count the EW Regiment located & has kept it as central only.

e) It has discounted 178th UAV Brigade.

12. SSF. It's completely silent on NSD with no mention of EW equipment or forces at all. The ASAT SC19 just finds a mention with nothing on operational ORBAT.

Overall My opinion 1500$ - Not worth it
 
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