China's Defense/Military Breaking News Thread


ansy1968

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Partners are important even if they are very feeble ones beholden to the US. Look at how Russia managed to sneak a huge gas pipeline to Germany despite being supposedly enemies. It is a sign that Germany does still act independently sometimes and can be of benefit

China is now extremely isolated after the US propaganda war during Covid. It needs any ally it can get and Germany is a very important one being the centerpiece of Europe
@sndef888 bro I disagree, isolation to whom, maybe for the trio but the fact on the ground is Australia is the one being isolated. Diplomacy is all about mutual agreement, if you're not satisfied then you withdraw silently but if you're making a fuss it show your weakness and immaturity. Covid for PR purposes yes but in reality who suffered the most and another thing the west had already prejudged China so it just returning the gesture.
 

ansy1968

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agree, i'm sure biden would be very happy if german/france start breaking up with China. EU, particularly france/german among few others dont want to counter china like US doing right now. worst case for china, not only have to deal with US/Aussie/japan/india/UK but add EU/canada to the mix. and dont forget SK either
@s002wjh bro I lived in this region the importance of China is greater for us cause #1 she is our important and number 1 trade partner #2 it gave us a great bargain tool and leveraged against the West. Now why would we trade that off to please the west, we're not Australian who can enter any Western Country without a visa. So selling our future is not an option, we need to work with EVERYBODY to have a great future especially with fellow Asian countries.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Partners are important even if they are very feeble ones beholden to the US. Look at how Russia managed to sneak a huge gas pipeline to Germany despite being supposedly enemies. It is a sign that Germany does still act independently sometimes and can be of benefit

China is now extremely isolated after the US propaganda war during Covid. It needs any ally it can get and Germany is a very important one being the centerpiece of Europe
Isolated from what exactly? Have all these countries stopped doing business with China yes or no? Are these countries planning and or starting to cut off Chinese investors and investments into their respective countries? Yes or No. Are the economic projected growth for countries in Europe and the E.U. trending and will trend into positive growth territory? Yes or No? If the answers to all these questions are NO then how exactly is China being isolated in your view? There's a pageantry that you seek and seem to care so much about when the actual meat of reality tells a whole different story of which at the end of the day is what matters the most. In othe words ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Let these countries have their Tik Tok or Instagram moments because that's all they can do anyways.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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What China should be doing is spinning AUKUS into an anglo-supremacist organisation and trying to combat it's rise with the fall of EU support

It is literally the best time for it. Trump made EU realise the fickleness of the US, UK left EU due to brexit, France just got slapped by the backstab of the submarine deal/Swiss F35 deal, Germany is showing goodwill, and Spain is not that interested in international politics.

These 4 countries are still big markets and high tech powerhouses that lead the western part of the eurasian continent. They would likely be much more receptive to BRI deals and trade agreements at this time
"What China should be doing is spinning AUKUS into an anglo-supremacist organisation and trying to combat it's rise with the fall of EU support"

Please do tell or spell out the strategies or tactical moves on how China could exploit this supposed and ultimately symbolic rift between the U.S. and France. Last I checked all these countries share common political heritage, values, culture, religion, along with being countries that were the benefactors and purveyors of colonialism and genocide, and therefore share similar world outlook towards China. Unless China becomes Democratic satrap for the west then all these supposed strategic plans will always be met with the grim reality of racism --- no Euroepean colonial powers will be able to subject themselves to become the junior partner or play subordinate role(s) to any Oriental countries period.

The only time that can happen is when they are thoroughly beaten to a pulp in an armed conflict. War is the great and ultimate arbiter of power hierarchy and that's especially acute to the current underwriter of the so called international rules based order.
 

sndef888

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Isolated from what exactly? Have all these countries stopped doing business with China yes or no? Are these countries planning and or starting to cut off Chinese investors and investments into their respective countries? Yes or No. Are the economic projected growth for countries in Europe and the E.U. trending and will trend into positive growth territory? Yes or No? If the answers to all these questions are NO then how exactly is China being isolated in your view? There's a pageantry that you seek and seem to care so much about when the actual meat of reality tells a whole different story of which at the end of the day is what matters the most. In othe words ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. Let these countries have their Tik Tok or Instagram moments because that's all they can do anyways.
There are consequences to the western attempt to isolate China, and it includes economic ones. I think you are underestimating the US economy and soft power.

The US ban on Huawei turned it from the world's second largest smartphone maker to not even in the top 5, as well as locking it out of many of the most profitable markets for 5G. India escalated Galwan due to western media egging them on. Malaysia overthrew their China friendly government and cancelled BRI deals. Europe cancelled the investment deal based off Uighur propaganda. ASML complied to American orders and stopped EUV machines from reaching China. Countless other industrial technologies blocked from China due to American pressure and propaganda.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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There are consequences to the western attempt to isolate China, and it includes economic ones. I think you are underestimating the US economy and soft power.

The US ban on Huawei turned it from the world's second largest smartphone maker to not even in the top 5, as well as locking it out of many of the most profitable markets for 5G. India escalated Galwan due to western media egging them on. Malaysia overthrew their China friendly government and cancelled BRI deals. Europe cancelled the investment deal based off Uighur propaganda. ASML complied to American orders and stopped EUV machines from reaching China. Countless other industrial technologies blocked from China due to American pressure and propaganda.
The lists you mentioned have to be expected and factored in once China was made the prime geopolitical enemy of the U.S. and because of the U.S. historic place and preponderance hold of most world institutions and businesses China was expected to get hit in the above things you listed, to expect anything less is to deny reality and frankly not being at all realistic. Having said all that, the question must be then asked, where is China in the current geopolitical war and where are the industries being affected headed to in the future? How is their current economic trend looking? How about their trades, the surpluses and deficits with all her 131 countries it does business with?

The current war is a long term struggle for China and the leadership of the CPC knew that going into this conflict. Despite all the attacks against China it's surprisingly still militarily restraint which is historically different than what western countries have done in the past or what would the U.S. have made I
If she was in China's shoes. China is prepare to ride out the struggle and to overcome this long term challenge, and the keyword here is Longterm something that most western countries seem to have forgotten because they are primarily driven by their short term politicking and the short attention tiktok span of their public. The only bottom line China isn't prepared to negotiate over with is Taiwan or any of the core issues that deal with China's territorial claims that pertains to its national sovereignty. That's simply non-negotiable and something that worth fighting and dying for.
 

yungho

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China has denied german frigate entry for visit.

I think this is incredibly petty and shortsighted by China. Germany is one of the rare few western partners that China has that aren't combative.

They're trying to visit a port to show that they aren't actually against China's interests and were likely instructed to do this by the US.

China should have welcomed them into Shanghai with a full 055 and Shandong fleet and turned it into a PR win-win
I agree, but I think it's because of covid
 

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