China won Turkey's missile defense competition

Gorthaur

New Member
Chinese offer was surely the lowest one. There was 4 billion reserved for the missiles and now Turkish get those in 3 billion. Plus Chinese accepted co-production terms and technology transfer.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
It will be an export version of HQ-9 (called FD-2000) so chances are any sensitive hardware and software would be substantially modified or downgraded from the domestic version.

or replaced with indigenous equivalents. The Turks are not a client state of any one. They buy what they like and build just as much on there own.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
the dust is not settled yet. I do not think the united states would allow turkey to buy Chinese AD missile system. there's no way that can happen so the folks in china should not celebrate yet. in the coming weeks we can expect the US to put pressure on turkey and they will drop the china bid. remember what happen with Israel + china and the falcon awac's system? we can expect the same to happen. when the US really wants to apply pressure on it's junior allies they can't resist the heat. when a superpower wants to lean on you, you have no option but surrender.
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
the dust is not settled yet. I do not think the united states would allow turkey to buy Chinese AD missile system. there's no way that can happen so the folks in china should not celebrate yet. in the coming weeks we can expect the US to put pressure on turkey and they will drop the china bid. remember what happen with Israel + china and the falcon awac's system? we can expect the same to happen. when the US really wants to apply pressure on it's junior allies they can't resist the heat. when a superpower wants to lean on you, you have no option but surrender.

nahhhh, Turkey is not Israel. Turkey is fully sovereign country.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Maybe it's a tacit agreement between 2 allies, based on a "as long as we can have full access to study it" kind of understanding. Or the U.S. may just agree to it as an afterthought for this same exact reason?
 

chuck731

Banned Idiot
the dust is not settled yet. I do not think the united states would allow turkey to buy Chinese AD missile system. there's no way that can happen so the folks in china should not celebrate yet. in the coming weeks we can expect the US to put pressure on turkey and they will drop the china bid. remember what happen with Israel + china and the falcon awac's system? we can expect the same to happen. when the US really wants to apply pressure on it's junior allies they can't resist the heat. when a superpower wants to lean on you, you have no option but surrender.

Turkey probably did this intentionally to poke the US in the eye for appearing to side with Endogan's enemies during recent political protest and crisis in turkey, and for leaving turkey high and dry in Syria. Turkey saw its interest in actively deposing Assad early on, received insultingly little NATO support for its interests. Turkey is probably also angry with Russia for her stance in Syria as well.

Turkey has probably given up on hoping to join the EU, or be treated as a core part of NATO on par Western European states rather than a mere front line state for western interests, sort of like a less poor version of Pakistan. Turkey is also probably angling for closer cooperation with Iran, forming a pole of its own in the region.
 

Blitzo

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Maybe it's a tacit agreement between 2 allies, based on a "as long as we can have full access to study it" kind of understanding. Or the U.S. may just agree to it as an afterthought for this same exact reason?



I think everyone is over thinking this a little.
Despite turkey being a NATO member, ankara has been moving away from NATO politically of late, and it is a stretch to believe the US would exert such control over what is through and through, another nation's affairs. Nor is it the first time a US ally has bought non US/NATO equipment.

We might think its groud breaking that a Chinese SAM managed to beat out international peers in a competition, but in the scheme of things it is just another day at the office for the other vendors.

We should take a moment to ponder if the FD-2000 sale may lead HQ-9 to be compromised if US sought to strongarm a "look" at turkey's eventual systems, but this is an export version, likely with relevant modifications and safeguards in place to mitigate what an enemy may be able to serve to use against the domestic HQ-9, and there are other ways to control sensitive components, such as stationing a permanent liaison or technician to "watch over" the systems and make sure the Turks don't let ill motives parties get their hands on it.
 

andyhugfan

Banned Idiot
Turkey probably did this intentionally to poke the US in the eye for appearing to side with Endogan's enemies during recent political protest and crisis in turkey, and for leaving turkey high and dry in Syria. Turkey saw its interest in actively deposing Assad early on, received insultingly little NATO support for its interests. Turkey is probably also angry with Russia for her stance in Syria as well.

Turkey has probably given up on hoping to join the EU, or be treated as a core part of NATO on par Western European states rather than a mere front line state for western interests, sort of like a less poor version of Pakistan. Turkey is also probably angling for closer cooperation with Iran, forming a pole of its own in the region.

Turkey is much better off without EU with all it's regulations and laws etc. Turkey has done very well the last 10 years, since AKP is in 'rule'. It's economy, industry, tourism and military have all grown substantially and within another 10 years, Turkey will be big enough to be self sufficient in almost all military-technical areas.

Too bad the secularists kemal supporters would rather have a poor secular Turkey, than a prosperous more religiously oriented one. Turkish people have all the reasons to be proud of their country!
 

siegecrossbow

General
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This is the number one news on cjdby right now, and I could safely say that the amount of attention dedicated to the sale surpasses that of even the J-20.
 
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