China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

Mohsin77 said:

The question that was being discussed is US/Western psy ops against China. This is the problem. And like I've said multiple times, it is not easy to counter propaganda. In fact, it is exceptionally difficult because it requires the simplification of much complexity, in order to get your own people to understand your reasoning. As for how China goes about doing it, that is up to the CCP to decide. (Creating your own CNN/FOX would be the exact opposite of a solution, because that just further divides people.)

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Yes, now we're getting somewhere.

Western psy ops is nothing new. I vividly remember the summer of 1989, when my uncle was avidly listening to Voice of America while the students were protesting all over the country. This was probably the pinnacle of foreign influence in modern Chinese history.

Yet we all know how that turned out. In the 30 years since, Western influence in China has DECLINED, not risen. As much as people like to complain about China's "lack of media savvy", they always seem to overlook this simple fact.

Today, Western influence is probably the lowest it has ever been in China since the Cultural Revolution. It effectively destroyed its own credibility first over Hong Kong and then over COVID-19.

Abraham Lincoln said you can't fool all the people all the time, and people are slowly waking up to the depth of duplicity they are being inundated with.

Sun Tzu said that when faced with a opponent skilled in trickery, the best response is to stay your course. When an enemy attacks from all directions, the best strategy is to keep a strong defense. No storm lasts forever. Let the enemy tire himself and you can defeat him without ever needing to attack.

I can agree with that. HK is concerning, but not critical, if the CIA operations can be contained to HK. Nevertheless, as I said before, if China just keeps walking in a straight line it will still overtake the US. The only thing I'll add is that what has also helped China is the US focus on the Greater Middle East for the past 20 years. That's two decades and trillions wasted, not to mention a lot of R&D that was directed towards COIN, instead of the traditional warfighting tech needed against China. The US is now behind in hypersonics and China has almost caught up in air and naval tech.

Mohsin77 said:

If you think this is "lecturing" you have no idea what a lecture from me looks like. This is merely a friendly discussion with other (more mature) members here.

For people of my own civilization, which indeed have been "hacking" each other for the past few centuries, my words are much harsher than anything I have said here regarding China, precisely because our mistakes and problems are MUCH greater. Even on this forum (which is not focused on such topics) I outrightly scold other members of my civilization (in public and via PM) whenever I see them hyping themselves up too much, to bring them back down to reality. This thread; however, has nothing to do with that.

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I can only imagine how it would be graded given what we saw here : "It's up to China to decide how it wants to understand itself." Just one shining example.
Loose bits and pieces with a lot of air floating around passing off as a discussion? What is it? A childish fantasy with superheros, with you in leather boots no less?

This hacking activity is squarely in the scope of this thread. It's in China's immediate national interest to stop these hacking within her borders, not easily unidentifiable general anxiety with foreign propaganda and psyops and such, if you catch my drift.

zgx09t said:

I can only imagine how it would be graded given what we saw here : "It's up to China to decide how it wants to understand itself." Just one shining example.
Loose bits and pieces with a lot of air floating around passing off as a discussion? What is it? A childish fantasy with superheros, with you in leather boots no less?

This hacking activity is squarely in the scope of this thread. It's in China's immediate national interest to stop these hacking within her borders, not easily unidentifiable general anxiety with foreign propaganda and psyops and such, if you catch my drift.

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... Are these even sentences? They're just random words. Look buddy, whatever emotional insecurities are making you clumsily pick a fight with me, I don't care. So move along.

You have nothing to show for a year stay in China, as you claimed, and yet passed judgements wantonly on China.
When you have more substance and valid observations, we can then have candid hardball real talks.
Calling me buddy doesn't make you look any smarter though.

zgx09t said:

You have nothing to show for a year stay in China, as you claimed, and yet passed judgements wantonly on China.
When you have more substance and valid observations, we can then have candid hardball real talks.
Calling me buddy doesn't make you look any smarter though.

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"Passed judgements"?? Quit crying and grow up. And stop pinging/quoting me like a troll.

One of the tactics that can easily be observed is that if you have someone by the short and curlies, they pretend to have their hearts and minds with you. Not really showing the true colors, they just mingle and do a little bit of damage surreptitiously one after another. Circumstances and geopolitics make them a junior partner, and that's where it should stay.

manqiangrexue said:

Terribly untrue. Territory is yours forever; alliances change with interests and leadership. Give away territory and with the next president, that country could still turn on you, except you can't take back what you gave. The way you do things, China needs to keep giving to maintain a good relationship. The way China does things, it simply needs to ease off of taking in order to get a good relationship. That's why the CCP approach is so much better and keeps China growing.

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A few hundred square miles of land, an island here or there that nobody inhabits, even if it is yours forever, does you very little good, whereas as long as it causes emnity, costs you tremendously. America's alliance with Canada and the UK has lasted for over 100 years, its alliance with Japan for over 70 years and going strong. Longer than China's current borders.

gadgetcool5 said:

A few hundred square miles of land, an island here or there that nobody inhabits, even if it is yours forever, does you very little good, whereas as long as it causes emnity, costs you tremendously. America's alliance with Canada and the UK has lasted for over 100 years, its alliance with Japan for over 70 years and going strong. Longer than China's current borders.

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Your examples support the notion that "China has to dominate the s**t out of her potential "allies"", so terrible examples...

Especially Japan example.. ohh the irony or just epic ignorance haaahaaa.

gadgetcool5 said:

A few hundred square miles of land, an island here or there that nobody inhabits, even if it is yours forever, does you very little good, whereas as long as it causes emnity, costs you tremendously. America's alliance with Canada and the UK has lasted for over 100 years, its alliance with Japan for over 70 years and going strong. Longer than China's current borders.

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Ok, remind us what territories the US gave up for their "eternal friendship" with Canada, UK, and Japan?