China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?


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SPOOPYSKELETON

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How do the US get Taiwan into WHO when they just quit out? Dumbest move ever.
It's funny the sort of trash people consider effective propaganda, but then again trash like TikTok took the world by storm. China can't do this sort of thing because it ultimately affirms democracy - why would China produce propaganda about the power of voting to effect change? Even if it did, anything from China would have the opposite effect since it's so easily tarnished by claiming that it's foreign propaganda designed to divide the American people, which it is.

You know, I never once saw Americans lamenting and gnashing their teeth at the fact that their propaganda isn't reaching Chinese people. They couldn't care less, it's just diaspora Chinese that have this unquenchable thirst for China "evangelizing" Westerners. That fetish is getting tiresome.
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The United States is banning all Chinese technology from its market and will try to compel other nations to do so as well. If China had a better propaganda apparatus, that would reduce the likelihood of other nations following America's lead on anything.

Ignoring the importance of the global narrative battle is leading directly to China being shut out of important markets, which in turn means less money for innovation! How is this not a strategic issue?
 

BMEWS

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America is banning all Chinese software from its markets, and presumably from the 5 eyes as well. This will logically be followed by a hardware ban.

Since Chinese companies cannot enter the American market anymore, is there any reason to allow Americans to profit off of China? Turns out trade dependence is easier unwound than expected. What are the implications of this in your opinion, and what can realistically be done?
Did anyone really think TikTok being sold to Microsoft would change anything? Of course they were still gonna ban WeChat, Tencent, etc and all Chinese apps.
 

jimmyjames30x30

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The United States is banning all Chinese technology from its market and will try to compel other nations to do so as well. If China had a better propaganda apparatus, that would reduce the likelihood of other nations following America's lead on anything.

Ignoring the importance of the global narrative battle is leading directly to China being shut out of important markets, which in turn means less money for innovation! How is this not a strategic issue?
That's very naive of you. The US's ability to ban and shut out technological firms of other country from their markets will not be hampered by the other's party's propaganda capabilities.
 

PiSigma

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America is banning all Chinese software from its markets, and presumably from the 5 eyes as well. This will logically be followed by a hardware ban.

Since Chinese companies cannot enter the American market anymore, is there any reason to allow Americans to profit off of China? Turns out trade dependence is easier unwound than expected. What are the implications of this in your opinion, and what can realistically be done?
Awesome. Ban all Chinese hardware.. better include all those Apple iPhones made in china too. Now Americans go can back to using type writers instead of computers. Paper instead of digital.
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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That's very naive of you. The US's ability to ban and shut out technological firms of other country from their markets will not be hampered by the other's party's propaganda capabilities.
I greatly disagree. American propaganda makes it very hard for politicians to come out in favor of China. Saying you want to side with China (the evil NAHZEE empire) for what is essentially money looks very, very bad. It makes it easy to paint these politicians as corrupt and endangers their entire career.

American propaganda also gives legitimacy to anti-Chinese / pro-American factions within the government. This, I believe, is how the UK was lost to America.

You are essentially surrendering before even fighting. How is that not a recipe for disaster?

Awesome. Ban all Chinese hardware.. better include all those Apple iPhones made in china too. Now Americans go can back to using type writers instead of computers. Paper instead of digital.
They will just move manufacturing out of China then. Tariffs obviously didnt work, so this is what they are trying.
 

PiSigma

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I greatly disagree. American propaganda makes it very hard for politicians to come out in favor of China. Saying you want to side with China (the evil NAHZEE empire) for what is essentially money looks very, very bad. It makes it easy to paint these politicians as corrupt and endangers their entire career.

American propaganda also gives legitimacy to anti-Chinese / pro-American factions within the government. This, I believe, is how the UK was lost to America.

You are essentially surrendering before even fighting. How is that not a recipe for disaster?



They will just move manufacturing out of China then. Tariffs obviously didnt work, so this is what they are trying.
Easier said than done. The number of components that go into a computer is in the thousands, most of which are manufactured in China and assembled there. List one country that can actually make everything. Or even a group of countries. Once u can get the logistics set up, the cost will only sky rocket that no one in USA will be able to afford a phone or computer. Might as well go back to 1950
 

BMEWS

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Awesome. Ban all Chinese hardware.. bette

At what point does China's lack of countering/retailiation become a long term strategic mistake? What happened to the rare earth ban that Xi hinted to during his visit to a plant last May? What happened to the Unreliable list that was being drawn up with Fedex package theft and Boeing MCAS fiasco being added to the list and now HSBC etc etc... what happened to hitting Apple hard or even kicking it out of China? Why is Tesla still allowed to roam free given Elon admitted to the CIA coup in Bolivia and Space-X being a strategic threat to China's own space program?

Is China waiting for the other foot to drop before taking massive action all at the same time? Does the CCP know something is in the works that the public doesn't? For example maybe America has already committed and decided to kick China out of SWIFT and/or attack the SCS or help Tiawan declare formal independence etc and China has already caught wind of it... much like high level Huawei officials already knew TSMC was gonna be forced by USA to severe ties this May before it was officially announced...
r include all those Apple iPhones made in china too. Now Americans go can back to using type writers instead of computers. Paper instead of digital.
At what point does China's lack of countering/retailiation become a long term strategic mistake? What happened to the rare earth ban that Xi hinted to during his visit to a plant last May? What happened to the Unreliable list that was being drawn up with Fedex package theft and Boeing MCAS fiasco being added to the list and now HSBC etc etc... what happened to hitting Apple hard or even kicking it out of China? Why is Tesla still allowed to roam free given Elon admitted to the CIA coup in Bolivia and Space-X being a strategic threat to China's own space program?

Is China waiting for the other foot to drop before taking massive action all at the same time? Does the CCP know something is in the works that the public doesn't? For example maybe America has already committed and decided to kick China out of SWIFT and/or attack the SCS or help Tiawan declare formal independence etc and China has already caught wind of it... much like high level Huawei officials already knew TSMC was gonna be forced by USA to severe ties this May before it was officially announced...
 

SPOOPYSKELETON

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Easier said than done. The number of components that go into a computer is in the thousands, most of which are manufactured in China and assembled there. List one country that can actually make everything. Or even a group of countries. Once u can get the logistics set up, the cost will only sky rocket that no one in USA will be able to afford a phone or computer. Might as well go back to 1950
Think of it this way. You can't arrest everyone who jaywalks or drives over the speed limit. Legally however, you are entitled to do so. In practice, you selectively enforce on a few to make an example to many.

The US gov will therefore use this new law to selectively enforce on whatever company it wants, gaining leverage over Chinese companies.

At what point does China's lack of countering/retailiation become a long term strategic mistake? What happened to the rare earth ban that Xi hinted to during his visit to a plant last May? What happened to the Unreliable list that was being drawn up with Fedex package theft and Boeing MCAS fiasco being added to the list and now HSBC etc etc... what happened to hitting Apple hard or even kicking it out of China? Why is Tesla still allowed to roam free given Elon admitted to the CIA coup in Bolivia and Space-X being a strategic threat to China's own space program?

Is China waiting for the other foot to drop before taking massive action all at the same time? Does the CCP know something is in the works that the public doesn't? For example maybe America has already committed and decided to kick China out of SWIFT and/or attack the SCS or help Tiawan declare formal independence etc and China has already caught wind of it... much like high level Huawei officials already knew TSMC was gonna be forced by USA to severe ties this May before it was officially announced...
The developments are coming in quick, I don't think they were prepared for America to actually imitate China in this aspect. It doesn't make ideological sense and tramples over the business of the tech giants.

At this point, China will need to sacrifice some of its economy in order to play those cards. The time is drawing near when the economic cost will be of no concern. One can say it has already arrived.
 

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o China sentenced a Canadian drug dealer to the death penalty, and it's an opportunity to bash China by stating China holds other Canadian citizens over Huawei. Basically implying this sentence could be politically motivated as per the other two. Mmmm.
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AUGUST 6, 2020 4:42 AM EDT
(BEIJING) — China has sentenced a third Canadian citizen to death on drug charges amid a steep decline in relations between the two countries.
The Guangzhou Municipal Intermediate Court announced Xu Weihong’s penalty on Thursday and said an alleged accomplice, Wen Guanxiong, had been given a life sentence.
Death sentences are automatically referred to China’s highest court for review.
The brief court statement gave no details but local media in the southern Chinese city at the heart of the country’s manufacturing industry said Xu and Wen had gathered ingredients and tools and began making the drug ketamine in October 2016, then stored the final product in Xu’s home in Guangzhou’s Haizhu district.
Police later confiscated more than 120 kilograms (266 pounds) of the drug from Xu’s home and another address, the reports said. Ketamine is a powerful pain killer that has become popular among club goers in China and elsewhere.
Relations between China and Canada soured over the arrest of Meng Wanzhou, an executive and the daughter of the founder of Chinese tech giant Huawei, at Vancouver’s airport in late 2018. The U.S. wants her extradited to face fraud charges over the company’s dealings with Iran. Her arrest infuriated Beijing, which sees her case as a political move designed to prevent China’s rise as a global technology power.
In apparent retaliation, China detained former Canadian diplomat Michael Kovrig and Canadian entrepreneur Michael Spavor, accusing them of vague national security crimes.
Soon after, China handed a death sentence to convicted Canadian drug smuggler Robert Schellenberg in a sudden retrial, and in April 2019, gave the death penalty to a Canadian citizen identified as Fan Wei in a multinational drug smuggling case.

China has also placed restrictions on various Canadian exports to China, including canola seed oil, in an apparent attempt to pressure Ottawa into releasing Meng.
Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said there was no connection between Xu’s sentencing and current China-Canada relations.
“I would like to stress that China’s judicial authorities handle the relevant case independently in strict accordance with Chinese law and legal procedures,” Wang said at a daily briefing Thursday. “This case should not inflict any impact on China-Canada relations.”
Like many Asian nations, China deals out stiff penalties for manufacturing and selling illegal drugs, including the death penalty. In December 2009, Pakistani-British businessman Akmal Shaikh was executed after being convicted of smuggling heroin, despite allegations he was mentally disturbed.
“Death sentences for drug-related crimes that are extremely dangerous will help deter and prevent such crimes,” Wang said. “China’s judicial authorities handle cases involving criminals of different nationalities in accordance with law."
 
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