China Buys Tu-22MB Bomber Production Line from Russia
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Re: China's Buying A Fleet Of Russian Bombers Perfect For Taking On The US Navy
They have been talking this for years. We will not see it to be materialized.
They have been talking this for years. We will not see it to be materialized.
Re: China's Buying A Fleet Of Russian Bombers Perfect For Taking On The US Navy
According to the article,
China's interest in purchasing Tu-22 bombers from the Russian Federation dates to 1998 but Moscow initially refused to sell the aircraft to Beijing out of concerns of changing the military balance in eastern Asia.
The Hong-10 components will all be built in China under technology transfer agreements with the exception of the engine, with the first aircraft scheduled to roll off the assembly line in 2013.
We should see if the first one roll out this year, if not then it's a hoax.
According to the article,
China's interest in purchasing Tu-22 bombers from the Russian Federation dates to 1998 but Moscow initially refused to sell the aircraft to Beijing out of concerns of changing the military balance in eastern Asia.
The Hong-10 components will all be built in China under technology transfer agreements with the exception of the engine, with the first aircraft scheduled to roll off the assembly line in 2013.
We should see if the first one roll out this year, if not then it's a hoax.
Re: China's Buying A Fleet Of Russian Bombers Perfect For Taking On The US Navy
What are the sources for this news article? they just present it out of the blue. Secondly, why are russian news sources silent regarding this? they always report when russia sells stuff abroad. If it doesnt appear in russian media, you can be sure it didnt happen.
What are the sources for this news article? they just present it out of the blue. Secondly, why are russian news sources silent regarding this? they always report when russia sells stuff abroad. If it doesnt appear in russian media, you can be sure it didnt happen.
antiterror13
Brigadier
Just open our mind ... imagine China would improve everything and it would be a good bomber, perhaps not as good as B-2 or B-1B .. but heyyyy, good enough
Sorry, but right if You are open minded then there's absolutely no sense in buying is dying dinosaur. YES for sure, the Backfire is - or better to say was - one of the most impressive military aircraft ever build (IMO), but what would the PLAAF or PLANAF gain ... and even more at what cost ??
1. Impressive performance superior in some respect to H-6: PLUS
... but that can already be done with modern ASM/AGM/BM ... making it a nearly MINUS
2. dated design with high operating cost: MINUS
3. if possible at best a lumbering, rusting manufacturing line, which was out of work for decades: MINUS
4. YES, high performance engines (which are not quite modern ...) and were no longer in production since years: MINUS
4. completely new chain of maintenance and logistics: MINUS
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As such this deal would have been fine in the 1990s but not now as with a simply open minded calculation I think the NEGATIVE points are more than the POSITIVE ones.
Deino
1. Impressive performance superior in some respect to H-6: PLUS
... but that can already be done with modern ASM/AGM/BM ... making it a nearly MINUS
2. dated design with high operating cost: MINUS
3. if possible at best a lumbering, rusting manufacturing line, which was out of work for decades: MINUS
4. YES, high performance engines (which are not quite modern ...) and were no longer in production since years: MINUS
4. completely new chain of maintenance and logistics: MINUS
----
As such this deal would have been fine in the 1990s but not now as with a simply open minded calculation I think the NEGATIVE points are more than the POSITIVE ones.
Deino
The bottom line is that it makes little sense in replacing one type of obsolete aircraft with a lightly less obsolete one, so for the Chinese to simply buy Backfires does seem highly unlikely and goes counter to all previous developent planning and acquisition.
That being said, I can see good reasons for China actually pursuing this deal.
Just as China's fighters and Multi Roles are developed from Migs and Flankers, so too are China's Bombers developed from Tupolev's and so proven Tupolev technology is not going to be unattractive. The deal remember is to buy the production line (know how) and the core technology. adding in a mix of generating political goodwill, saving R & D time and money, $1.5 Billion is probably not a bad price to obtain working versions of specific features that current Project Engineers are keen to obtain.
If this story is true, I suspect that it is about integrating some of this technology into ongoing Tupolev based projects for next generation bombers and so the idea of the H-8 definitly springs to mind.
From that perspective a few Backfires to help kick start the modernisation of Bomber Crew training and operations may not be such a crazy idea either.
That being said, I can see good reasons for China actually pursuing this deal.
Just as China's fighters and Multi Roles are developed from Migs and Flankers, so too are China's Bombers developed from Tupolev's and so proven Tupolev technology is not going to be unattractive. The deal remember is to buy the production line (know how) and the core technology. adding in a mix of generating political goodwill, saving R & D time and money, $1.5 Billion is probably not a bad price to obtain working versions of specific features that current Project Engineers are keen to obtain.
If this story is true, I suspect that it is about integrating some of this technology into ongoing Tupolev based projects for next generation bombers and so the idea of the H-8 definitly springs to mind.
From that perspective a few Backfires to help kick start the modernisation of Bomber Crew training and operations may not be such a crazy idea either.
kwaigonegin
Colonel
Assuming the article is true I can see why China wants to buy TU-22 back in 1998 but china has made significant jump in R&D and technology that surpassed even what a typical country would in a span of 10 or 12 years. It makes no logical sense for them to even pursue this deal.
If anything shouldn't they purchase TU-160 instead or at least get Russian expertised on that? I think the TU-160 or similar type aircraft would fit China's tactical and strategic initiatives much better.