China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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antiterror13

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@ougoah thank you very much, I learn a lot from your post above

how about French new warhead Tête nucléaire océanique (TNO or oceanic nuclear warhead) ? would it be roughly the same as current Chinese warhed? What is the designation of new Chinese warhead ? (after 535)
 

ougoah

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@ougoah thank you very much, I learn a lot from your post above

how about French new warhead Tête nucléaire océanique (TNO or oceanic nuclear warhead) ? would it be roughly the same as current Chinese warhed? What is the designation of new Chinese warhead ? (after 535)

Lol I have no idea about Chinese warhead after 535 except we know that there have been many more developments after it. After all, 535 is 30+ years old design. This stuff is public info. We know when DF-31 first reached service and likely was in service before announcement on induction. We know the one that reached service in 2005 used 535 (single warhead). We have guesses on its yield and weight.
 

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Interestingly it looks like China has an estimated "60 out of some 350 total nuclear warheads with its intermediate-range force" and also various interesting points are mentioned in the article about the hot-swappable system of the PLA related to the:

1) pre-launch ambiguity
2) reduction in the operational costs of the dual systems
3) hiding of the true numbers of nuclear warheads and capabilities and increasing difficulties even for the analyst to estimate accurately China stockpile

and the article concludes with another bonus point for the PLARF as the DF26 as described in the Pentagon report linked in the article is a very precise nuclear-capable missile system.
 

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@bustead AFAIK the French currently have the M5.2 SLBM in service with the more modern TNO warhead. The TN75 warhead was used in the M5.1. The French are currently testing the M5.3 which is supposed to enter service in a couple of years.
TNO is "more robust but less optimized" (source:
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So TN75 is supposedly more miniaturized than TNO.
 

bustead

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Lol I have no idea about Chinese warhead after 535 except we know that there have been many more developments after it. After all, 535 is 30+ years old design. This stuff is public info. We know when DF-31 first reached service and likely was in service before announcement on induction. We know the one that reached service in 2005 used 535 (single warhead). We have guesses on its yield and weight.
We know that there is the 575 warhead, which is supposed to be a 150 kt warhead small enough to be fitted on cruise missiles easily. New ICBMs with HGVs may have a newer warhead design but we don't have any details yet.
 

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China Accelerating Nuclear Buildup Over Rising Fears of US Conflict

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>Meanwhile, analysts caution that China is likely to load only some of its silos with missiles, and only some of those may be nuclear-tipped.

Ah yes, the famous conventional DF-41.

What I want to know is the growth of the mobile force. How many new DF-41 TELs are we inducting. The harping about those 300 silos grows old. Even if they were all loaded with DF-41s and China completed the early warning system today, the survivability isn't great.
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, stealth cruise missiles, depressed trajectory SLBMs etc. are all conceivable threats that might defeat LoW.
 

escobar

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>Meanwhile, analysts caution that China is likely to load only some of its silos with missiles, and only some of those may be nuclear-tipped.

Ah yes, the famous conventional DF-41.

What I want to know is the growth of the mobile force. How many new DF-41 TELs are we inducting. The harping about those 300 silos grows old. Even if they were all loaded with DF-41s and China completed the early warning system today, the survivability isn't great.
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, stealth cruise missiles, depressed trajectory SLBMs etc. are all conceivable threats that might defeat LoW.
There IS no such conv Df-41. A Space based EW system will not miss multiple missiles fired toward CN to distroy 300 silos on three sites.
 
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clockwork

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There IS no such conv Df-41.
How obvious does sarcasm need to be?
A Space based EW system will not miss 300 missiles fired toward CN to distroy 300 silos on three sites.
The point isn't "missing" it. How much reaction time will the silo fields have to Tridents being launched from Bohai or just off Jiangsu? The US could try to destroy the silos directly that way or suppress them via high altitude pindown as described while using other weapons like cruise missiles to destroy the incapacitated silos.
Or if a B-21 just launched a bunch of LRSOs at them or something would China even detect that?
 

montyp165

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How obvious does sarcasm need to be?

The point isn't "missing" it. How much reaction time will the silo fields have to Tridents being launched from Bohai or just off Jiangsu? The US could try to destroy the silos directly that way or suppress them via high altitude pindown as described while using other weapons like cruise missiles to destroy the incapacitated silos.
Or if a B-21 just launched a bunch of LRSOs at them or something would China even detect that?

Issues such as this would have already been wargamed by PLARF even before missile procurement began, because that would be necessary to establish a baseline for force expansion.
 
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