China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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This is the US projecting on China again
In fact, SpaceX with their Starship program is far more dangerous to China than whatever the US claims that China is planning to do
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They are using CN for their own benefit but CN seem to have a prompt global strike project years ago...
SpaceX is a danger to all space-faring nations with all the trash they're going to put into LEO.
China going for something like FOBS and actually pulling it off unlike attempts by the two superpowers during the cold war is something that is way too risky and invites escalating space arms race. Not to mention putting live nukes into orbit is a step too far into the zone of stupid and leaving the zone of defence.
To achieve deterrence, what China needs is much more early warning especially looking north, south, and west (got plenty of good ship based early warning in the western pacific) and enhance any space based early warning. It also needs thousands of warheads on at least a thousand long ranged missiles. The US has thousands of BMD shots... if they admit to hundreds, be assured they have thousands. If I were in charge of defence, I'd want to make sure my number of ICBMs exceed the number of interceptors just to be safe and I'd build and position thousands of BMD missiles across the major parts of China and wherever silos and missile positions are likely to be. China can mass produce BMD interceptors of all the types China currently has at a fast rate due to this technology being relatively accessible and easy for both these nations but China has a far larger workforce. All missiles to be upgraded with latest warheads and penetration aids etc like switching from MIRV to MaRVs and dedicated HGVs. A thousand of those missiles each packing multiple warheads or warhead carrying HGVs would be a minimum. Compared to the US with over 3000 warheads and easily over 1000 long ranged ICBM and SLBMs? over a thousand THAAD, GBI, SM-3, and PAC-3? Yes I'd say that's a minimum.
Nukes in orbit is far more risky. If you're doing that, may as well just bump those satellites/orbiting weapons stations up and get them to eject purpose designed kinetic weapons. No risk of thermonuclear detonation in space either through accident or sabotage.
To achieve deterrence, what China needs is much more early warning especially looking north, south, and west (got plenty of good ship based early warning in the western pacific) and enhance any space based early warning. It also needs thousands of warheads on at least a thousand long ranged missiles. The US has thousands of BMD shots... if they admit to hundreds, be assured they have thousands. If I were in charge of defence, I'd want to make sure my number of ICBMs exceed the number of interceptors just to be safe and I'd build and position thousands of BMD missiles across the major parts of China and wherever silos and missile positions are likely to be. China can mass produce BMD interceptors of all the types China currently has at a fast rate due to this technology being relatively accessible and easy for both these nations but China has a far larger workforce. All missiles to be upgraded with latest warheads and penetration aids etc like switching from MIRV to MaRVs and dedicated HGVs. A thousand of those missiles each packing multiple warheads or warhead carrying HGVs would be a minimum. Compared to the US with over 3000 warheads and easily over 1000 long ranged ICBM and SLBMs? over a thousand THAAD, GBI, SM-3, and PAC-3? Yes I'd say that's a minimum.
Nukes in orbit is far more risky. If you're doing that, may as well just bump those satellites/orbiting weapons stations up and get them to eject purpose designed kinetic weapons. No risk of thermonuclear detonation in space either through accident or sabotage.
The unspoken reality is that the Americans overwhelmingly want to nuke China as a first strike. Even a great chunk of their citizenry want to do this or think it is necessary and a "good thing". That's how effective 20 years of constant anti-China propaganda can achieve and what 70+ years of anti-"communism" propaganda can do. Contrast with asking Chinese citizens whether they'd wish death and destruction on the US and most would reply no. The desire is unbalanced.
We know China has HGVs and HGV carrying warheads (presumably since that's a top priority) since at least 2019 in service and if China shows one type just to make a statement, they have many, many types, fitted on multiple platforms. My suspicion is that not only has China long ago been holding over 1000 warheads but also increased DF-31A/x, DF-41, JL-2, JL-3, and DF-5A/B numbers and the nukes they carry. To complete having a top tier nuclear capability, it just needs H-20.
If it didn't already have all that, the US would have conducted a surprise first strike long ago. That's the unspoken truth. They already set up all the narratives and priming the press and so on. They do not need some stupid pretend congressional oversight on all these things. They only have a facade of civilian leadership but their dictatorship operates just differently the all the other ones. Powerful western nations are just as totalitarian. The rules are just there for lower matters and to provide some semblance of all that "nice stuff" and civility but when the poop hits the trousers, it is total dictatorship and worse, it's an invisible rule with even less accountability than CCP. At least with the CCP it truly is a civilian comprised government and dictatorship with a person and a face at the top along with a genuine congress that just operates differently to US facade congress.
I bet intelligence agencies in both nations already know far more about these matters and have for a while.
All these whispers of rods from space and orbital nukes are just games between those intelligence agencies and we're missing all the context and info necessary to interpret posturing.
We know China has HGVs and HGV carrying warheads (presumably since that's a top priority) since at least 2019 in service and if China shows one type just to make a statement, they have many, many types, fitted on multiple platforms. My suspicion is that not only has China long ago been holding over 1000 warheads but also increased DF-31A/x, DF-41, JL-2, JL-3, and DF-5A/B numbers and the nukes they carry. To complete having a top tier nuclear capability, it just needs H-20.
If it didn't already have all that, the US would have conducted a surprise first strike long ago. That's the unspoken truth. They already set up all the narratives and priming the press and so on. They do not need some stupid pretend congressional oversight on all these things. They only have a facade of civilian leadership but their dictatorship operates just differently the all the other ones. Powerful western nations are just as totalitarian. The rules are just there for lower matters and to provide some semblance of all that "nice stuff" and civility but when the poop hits the trousers, it is total dictatorship and worse, it's an invisible rule with even less accountability than CCP. At least with the CCP it truly is a civilian comprised government and dictatorship with a person and a face at the top along with a genuine congress that just operates differently to US facade congress.
I bet intelligence agencies in both nations already know far more about these matters and have for a while.
All these whispers of rods from space and orbital nukes are just games between those intelligence agencies and we're missing all the context and info necessary to interpret posturing.
Senior ex-diplomat suggests fine-tuning China's nuclear weapons policy
"The then British Ambassador for Disarmament, Sir Michael, explicitly stated that China was the biggest winner of the CTBT negotiations, and he even proposed that the Chinese and U.S. delegations should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. With China's efforts, the treaty has properly addressed the thorny issues of the scope of the ban, the mechanism for initiating "on-site inspections" and the entry into force of the treaty and was highly praised by all countries except India."
Directly from China’s Chief negotiator of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty
"The then British Ambassador for Disarmament, Sir Michael, explicitly stated that China was the biggest winner of the CTBT negotiations, and he even proposed that the Chinese and U.S. delegations should be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. With China's efforts, the treaty has properly addressed the thorny issues of the scope of the ban, the mechanism for initiating "on-site inspections" and the entry into force of the treaty and was highly praised by all countries except India."
US is so naive to the core, it is unbelievable.
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