China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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DarkStar

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But are more SSBNs really needed? This isn't the 80s anymore and we have drone tech; why shouldn't China just have a Status-6 style Poseidon type drone submersible that can launch nukes on command?
 

escobar

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//We need more SSBNs and extended range SLBMs. 15 - 20 trillion economy needs protection. 1.4 billion needs deterrence and defence. //


But the silos are nice to have. I'm pretty sure China has the manpower to construct thousands of more silos but the important question is whether the supposed network found at Yumen got underground interconnected web of roads.

Are these silos filled in the open ( subject to reconnaissance sat eyes) or underground? What about the entry and exit tunnels?
No need to hide missile silo from sat. Silos force your opponent to expend weapons incapacitating them. You can’t force your opponent to expend weapons on silos they can’t see ;). But for mobile TEL, you counter sat based tracking with ECM systems to deny space based SAR, dazzlers to go against the optical gathering platforms, etc
 

Xizor

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No need to hide missile silo from sat. Silos force your opponent to expend weapons incapacitating them. You can’t force your opponent to expend weapons on silos they can’t see ;). But for mobile TEL, you counter sat based tracking with ECM systems to deny space based SAR, dazzlers to go against the optical gathering platforms, etc
So, if I'm not wrong the Yumen complex are just silos likely without any underground connective infrastructure. So we can expect ( if these indeed turn out to be silos) that they plan to fill every silo.

For the adversary, the burden would be in guessing out which missile is a dummy and which is the one with the bang. Sounds good.
 

Insignius

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As I understand, even without underground tunnels a shellgame can be played.
MX shell game deployment concept sees that missiles are regularily rotated around the silos via trailer trucks, but always in pairs with one real and one dummy/empty container. Enemy satellites will see the movements but still dont know which silo got a real missile and which on a dummy.
 

Broccoli

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But are more SSBNs really needed? This isn't the 80s anymore and we have drone tech; why shouldn't China just have a Status-6 style Poseidon type drone submersible that can launch nukes on command?

Poseidon is the nuke, it doesn't launch anything, it drives into enemy harbor and then detonates itself.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Wow China is working on revolutionary concept to zap molecule and reduce drag
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– five times the speed of sound, or beyond – planes and weapons usually meet a lot of resistance from the air, which can affect flight safety and increase the amount of fuel needed.

Streamlining their shape can help to reduce this resistance, known as “drag”, but further improvements need a more aggressive approach.

Now a team of laser experts at Beijing’s Space Engineering University have come up with a powerful laser gun mounted on the head of a hypersonic aircraft or missile, aimed not at an enemy but at the thin air molecules just ahead. The device can reduce air resistance by 70 per cent or more, according to researchers’ calculations.
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escobar

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But are more SSBNs really needed? This isn't the 80s anymore and we have drone tech; why shouldn't China just have a Status-6 style Poseidon type drone submersible that can launch nukes on command?
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China is “looking at” developing naval and aerial autonomous nuclear weapons systems, warning any such development could disrupt strategic stability.
 

Richard Santos

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Poseidon is the nuke, it doesn't launch anything, it drives into enemy harbor and then detonates itself.

Poseidon’s problem is it is useful only as a revenge weapon in a all out doomsday scenario. it is lacks any flexibility present even in other second strike weapons.

They maybe useful to have, but they limit options if they are a major component of what you have.
 
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Xizor

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– five times the speed of sound, or beyond – planes and weapons usually meet a lot of resistance from the air, which can affect flight safety and increase the amount of fuel needed.

Streamlining their shape can help to reduce this resistance, known as “drag”, but further improvements need a more aggressive approach.

Now a team of laser experts at Beijing’s Space Engineering University have come up with a powerful laser gun mounted on the head of a hypersonic aircraft or missile, aimed not at an enemy but at the thin air molecules just ahead. The device can reduce air resistance by 70 per cent or more, according to researchers’ calculations.
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I've read an article about laser induced "Cavitation" in the Drive last year.
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Besides US and Brazil joint study and Russia (briefly), it's good that China is the other country to engage in this field. The most important hurdle however would be the powerplant. Lasers require a lot of electric power and the weight for the generation, regulation and laser modules all work against the potential gains from the system.
 
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