China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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ZeEa5KPul

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some dude on reddit said people from yunen on weibo are saying its construction for a wind farm

The engineer in me says that its probably more something for bio gas. You wouldn't be erecting those plastic looking tents in summer for the wind farm foundations.
Just my guess, given the geographic location, and recent environmental laws, I suspect its more of some kind of biogas facility, designed to get rid of the waste 秸秆 that is produced in that area in Summer/Autumn times. They usually burn it creating lots of pollutants, but that practice is now banned. They had some pilot plant for a bio gasification facility built there around 5 years ago, so no reason why not to try the anaerobic digesters to get rid of these wastes too? After all, these stuff are all in the rage lately, especially with subsidies. Plus there is an existing oil and gas facility in town by CNPC for these gas to go to.....
Look, I appreciate the SFA stuff as much as the next guy, but that nonsense has no place here.
 

Sleepyjam

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The geologist in me doesn’t believe this Washington post story, at least not the photographic evidence. The photo clearly shows the erosional debris apron at the bottom of a low range of hills with a conspicuous out wash alluvial fan,. The photo superimposes missile symbols all over the debris apron and alluvial van. Would you build missile silos in loose Unconsolidated debris aprons and out wash deposits?
Missile silos are built into the bedrock and the depth to the bedrock can be as shallow as just a few feet. The top layer around the silos can be modified by compaction and mixing. So it is definitely possible to build silos there.
 
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Godzilla

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Look, I appreciate the SFA stuff as much as the next guy, but that nonsense has no place here.
Sorry mate, it was just my take as someone who has physically visited the nearby area. I was there in the 2010s on a junket to visit the nearby windfarms at the start of the wind farm boom. The location on that map is actually of Guazhou county, not Yumen. It is one of the windiest places in China. I visited a couple of sites there, the primary one though was in the north of the county owned by a company called China Windpower (now called Concorde New Energy), but they did drive us to a couple others in the area owned by Guodian/Huadian so not sure if I visited the one in Yumen that you can see on that map. If I remember correctly, that place is a desert national park, but there is actually a few tourist places very close by. (Suoyang city ruins is like 5-10kms away) It is pretty poor and rural, but kind of isn't the place you would expect to be installing ICBM silos at with it also being an energy hub of sort with lots of wind farms and more to be installed, along with a few coal chemical projects in the area along with the tourists.
 

Sleepyjam

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The engineer in me says that its probably more something for bio gas. You wouldn't be erecting those plastic looking tents in summer for the wind farm foundations.
Just my guess, given the geographic location, and recent environmental laws, I suspect its more of some kind of biogas facility, designed to get rid of the waste 秸秆 that is produced in that area in Summer/Autumn times. They usually burn it creating lots of pollutants, but that practice is now banned. They had some pilot plant for a bio gasification facility built there around 5 years ago, so no reason why not to try the anaerobic digesters to get rid of these wastes too? After all, these stuff are all in the rage lately, especially with subsidies. Plus there is an existing oil and gas facility in town by CNPC for these gas to go to.....
Are anaerobic digesters tanks suppose to be kms apart? The ones that I have seen are all built very close to each other. The existing windmills in the area don’t look that far apart either.
 

Richard Santos

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Missile silos are built into the bedrock and the depth to the bedrock can be as shallow as just a few feet. The top layer around the silos can be modified by compaction and mixing. So it is definitely possible to build silos there.

You don’t know how deep the bedrock is yet you know it is “definitely” possible?

The erosional debris apron is massive and extends 20 miles from the foot of the hill. The typical slop of such aprons are form 2-20 degrees. The smooth deposition surface with no bed rock outcropping at all suggest the countour of the bedrock does not follow the slope of the apron so the depth of the sediment in the aprons thickens towards the hills. So even if the deposit in the apron is very mobile so the apron slope is very shallow, the loose deposit can still be up to 3000 feet thick near the base of the hill
 

Totoro

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If the find a missile under multiple silo covers game is to be played - each silo would need to have a big access road, one that goes under the soil in the last several tens of meters or 100 meters before the silo itself is reached. and it would have to feature a huge hole inside, so the missile that's brought in on a truck can be erected while underground.

That's one way to do it. A simpler way would be just having a truck bring in either a self contained missile canister, which may or may not be empty - or if there is no canister- to bring in a dummy missile.
Of course, if that route is taken, just wait until media starts proclaiming there is indeed a real missile in every single one of the silos.

All that being said, I'm still not sold on the idea these are indeed missile silos. The windfarm theory, for example, is just as convincing.
 
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