China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread


plawolf

Brigadier
You guys realise that ‘300’ warhead figure is pretty much something the west pulled out of its butt right?

Basically the sequence of events that led to it can be summed up as:

The west: China, you need to be transparent and tell us how many nukes you got!

China: Yes

The west: This guy says you got 300, such a puny number haha! Wanna set the record straight?

China: Yes

The west:...So he was right and you only got 300 nukes?

China: Sure.
 

quantumlight

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If you load up all the missiles on the 2019 parade with warheads that's already more than 300.
Think about that, would you build so many ballistic missiles if you didn't have warheads for them?
Yeah more guns than bullets never made sense to me either even if a few of them are trainers
 

ansy1968

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China should not entrust something as important as strategic nuclear deterrence to any other nation... for its very existential survival is at stake.

US could just persuade Russia to gang up and both take China out of the picture and they can share the spoils and postpone peak oil by another 30 years with 1.4 billion wiped out.... and US will backstab Russia again but thats what it does best

Remember at one time USSR asked US for permission to nuke China.... after Putin retires tables could turn again
@quantumlight bro both side are threatened the UNDERSTANDING is to support each other. There is no shamed if China with limited nuclear arsenal seek Russian nuclear umbrella, just as UK and France did with the US. And with history as guide so to of China with the US during the later days of the cold war.
 

Ndla2

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Remember at one time USSR asked US for permission to nuke China.... after Putin retires tables could turn again
@BoraTas the reason for the UNDERSTANDING between Russia and China is that the Russia provide the muscle (nuclear weapon) while China provide the butter (economics) while both side built up their respective weaknesses. I think its a perfect complement , if the US use nuclear weapon on the Chinese the Russian will automatically respond that is the principle of MAD.
You don't outsource something as existential as the nukes.
 

SilentObserver

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Nukes are genocidal weapons; they poison you down to the genetic level; we still don’t know the long term genetic effects of those Hiroshima and Nagasaki survivors.
It should be appropriate that the white anglos all equally get their fair share of radiation and genetic poisoning- after all, they mustn’t believe they can poison Asians again without recourse.
US continues to dump radioactive nuclear waste on civilians, especially those in the middle east through use of depleted uranium munitions. Just take a look at the horrific birth defects caused by depleted uranium munitions on Iraqis.
 

Sardaukar20

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Well I am not weapon designer so I don't know the detail. But in general just like any other simulation software the basis is Physic equation that cannot be solved using classical method So they have to use numerical analysis either finite element or finite difference which necessitate million upon million repetitive calc which the computer excel and they adjust the parameter as they go along comparing it to actual test . The more test the more accurate the model
Not only just computer simulations. All the major nuclear weapons states still conduct Subcritical tests or 'Cold' tests. These tests may use fissile materials, but there would be no forming of critical mass that could result in nuclear explosions. These tests are used in conjunction with computer simulations. As we all know simulation parameters still needs to be updated from time to time. Subcritical tests are all legal under the CTBT. The most recent US example is the Nightshade A on November 2020 at the Nevada Test Site. A video example of a 'Cold' test is the Pollux test conducted in 2012 by the US:

Suffice to say that China, with its nuclear weapons experience, technical capability, and budget is more than able to carry out such tests. The real question is not be about "if" China is doing these tests, but "how many"? So, I find it hard to believe that China would need to resort to traditional 'Hot' nuclear tests again to update its warhead designs.

It is very fortunate that China had managed to detonate full scale multimegaton-range H-bombs before the CTBT came into effect. That means that China's fusion weapons designs have been verified in the real-life nuclear tests. So all collected data and knowledge pertaining to fusion designs can be inserted into a database for simulations for future weapons designing. Other small nuclear weapons states who have yet to detonate full scale H-bombs like India, Pakistan, and North Korea would certainly covet such data. The gap between fission and real, full scale fusion weapons designs is notoriously difficult to cross. Despite what India likes to claim, boosted fission weapons that involves only a little fusion doesn't count as full scale fusion weapons. Israel may be different, as I suspect that the US would share nuclear weapons designs with them.
 

Sardaukar20

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US continues to dump radioactive nuclear waste on civilians, especially those in the middle east through use of depleted uranium munitions. Just take a look at the horrific birth defects caused by depleted uranium munitions on Iraqis.
Lets not forget the Pacific Islanders at Bikini Atoll whom the US conveniently ignores today. Back in the 50s and 60s these poor folks were resettled within dangerously radioactive fallout zones and studied. Just watch John Pilger's "Coming War On China" to see the sheer cruelty these people had to endure. They were still referred to as 'savages' in old US propaganda films. Some individuals were given Christian names to make them sound more 'civilized'. They were showed smiling to the cameras, unaware of the horrors of radiation sickness, cancers, and birth defects that awaits them. It is a truly remarkable level of cruelty perpetrated by a country who prides itself on 'human rights'.
 

BoraTas

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@BoraTas the reason for the UNDERSTANDING between Russia and China is that the Russia provide the muscle (nuclear weapon) while China provide the butter (economics) while both side built up their respective weaknesses. I think its a perfect complement , if the US use nuclear weapon on the Chinese the Russian will automatically respond that is the principle of MAD.
As far as I know there is no such treaty between Russia and China. China should not leave such an existential topic to another country anyway.
 

Anlsvrthng

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From the article:

No need to "reduce international concerns". China should start ramping up nuclear warhead production. This is a volatile period and having such a small number of nuclear weapons is a national security issue.
Can't make useful warhead from civilian plutonium.

Require too big critical mass .

China doesn’t bother with small yield tactical nukes because it treats nukes as the last resort, not first response. Chinese nukes are overwhelmingly megaton yield city killers.

If anyone is stupid enough to use kiloton tactical nukes against China, they will eat megaton yield strategic ones in response. ‘Sos, ‘dem be all we have!
Doesn't make sense to use multi megaton warheads. A single , 10 megaton warhead has less destructive power than 10 pieces of 500 kiloton bombs. And the later weight less.
 

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