China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread

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no_name

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1. There is no reason why an attack on a USN carrier group would be limited to AShBM only. They can spam it with the full spectrum of weapons platforms available at once.

2.There is no reason why only the carrier itself would be attacked. They could attack the escorts simultaneously so that they could either focus on saving themselves or be taken out and leave the carrier an easier picking for second wave. Or the carrier group can be 'peeled' onion style from outside in.

3.The attacker choose the tempo of the attack and can do it while carrier is out of retaliatory range. If you only play defense you would lose eventually.

4.Just because they would eventually develop a counter for AShBM would not meant it is no longer a threat. Even cruise missiles would be enough threat when spammed enough. Every year before they manage to get an effective counter operational is an additional year for China to perfect and add to her own carrier force. Worse case is both sides back to carrier vs carrier scenario and even in that case China would try fighting closer to her home support.

5. People focus too much on AShBM but reality of the matter is that in recent years China has simply modernised her military enough that she now has ways of touching her opponents carrier group, with or without AshBM.

6. Carriers are originally designed to take out enemy fleets outside the support of their home countries, as the case during WWII. USN can no longer operate her carrier against China the same manner like she does with Iraq and in the Persian Gulf. The AShBM development just further extends that envelop so as to make it risky even to fight against the PLAN in areas where they would be operating if conflict broke out in near future. Imagine the geopolitical implications if one day China can extend that umbrella to cover the Persian Gulf area.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Intercepting requires everything to be like clockwork. I remember reading an assessment of reactions times for a US Navy ship being attacked by supersonic anti-ship missiles that adversaries of the US possess and it's probably too little time to realistically react appropriately. The US Naval War College has been conducting war games of a US Navy attack on the Mainland for a couple decades now and US Navy loses every single one of them. Why? The US Navy can't get past the swarms of anti-ship missiles that China can cheaply produce and launch against them.
 

SimaQian

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The mini sensor satellite is the key. The initial target acquisition is just to coarse and satellites may not be above the target all the time from missile launch to warhead impact. The constellation of satellites used averages at 600 km above earth. The mini satellite provides the the close loop data for finer flight adjustment of the warhead to target.

This is the reported satellite constellation

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Max Demian

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Intercepting requires everything to be like clockwork. I remember reading an assessment of reactions times for a US Navy ship being attacked by supersonic anti-ship missiles that adversaries of the US possess and it's probably too little time to realistically react appropriately. The US Naval War College has been conducting war games of a US Navy attack on the Mainland for a couple decades now and US Navy loses every single one of them. Why? The US Navy can't get past the swarms of anti-ship missiles that China can cheaply produce and launch against them.

I am afraid that the US forces will be alerted the second DF-21 and DF-26 are airborne, thanks to this:
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SpicySichuan

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it will be a crash nuclear build ups
Again, I think we are talking about a modest nuclear build-up. It won't be too difficult for China to add 200-300 more warheads onto existing ones, but keep in mind that we don't have evidence that China has resumed weapon grade plutonium and HEU production. Nor do we have see any sign that China is producing more tritium gas.
 

AssassinsMace

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I am afraid that the US forces will be alerted the second DF-21 and DF-26 are airborne, thanks to this:
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Oh you mean the one that China was able to jam immediately after it went online... Lets not forget the obsolete Seersucker that got past AWACs, AEGIS and Patriot sensors to strike Kuwait City without being seen flying over the unobstructed Persian Gulf during the Gulf War...
 

KenC

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Even with early warning and SM3 or SM6 ready to intecept, it will still be an incredibly difficult task to defend.
We are not talking about a single missiles or two, but coordinated saturated attack using Df26, Df21d, YJ18 and YJ12 .
We may see waves after waves of missiles. But China just need to spend about a or two billions dollars here, but potential losses for US side is far greater.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Again, I think we are talking about a modest nuclear build-up. It won't be too difficult for China to add 200-300 more warheads onto existing ones, but keep in mind that we don't have evidence that China has resumed weapon grade plutonium and HEU production. Nor do we have see any sign that China is producing more tritium gas.

How do you know because China nuclear production is underground in Sichuan Did you see it ?
 
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