China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread


Totoro

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I'd just like to say that JL-2 canisters are pretty much the same size as df-31A (not AG, which are slightly longer) canisters, when measured from end to end of the cylinder area. The difference is something like JL2 being 3% shorter. Actually jl-2 has slightly bigger protrusion both up front and in the back. Part of that is, of course, the larger gas canister used for pushing the missile out. Anyway, I'd say if df-31a is indeed up to 11 000 km in range, then it's pretty plausible jl-2 isn't far behind. Certainly possible to be in 9-10 thousand km range bracket.
 

ougoah

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The HGV on DF-17 may be the actual thing unlike the sharp sword mockup. But LiBoHanse is saying the HGV will go inside a canister that opens up at the correct altitude like any other satellite or warhead payload delivered to space. All of this will be inside the TEL's missile canister. The real deployed version of this system will not be what was shown, white tipped cover included.
 
A Long March 3B rocket launch (425tonnes) costs $70M+
A Kuaizhou rocket launch (30tonnes) costs $14M
A Trident II rocket (59tonnes) costs $31M

So if a DF-41 rocket is 80tonnes, I'd go with a cost of $30M.
how about the warhead cost? and also the TEL and other systems?
 

Hyperwarp

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What difference?
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The only difference is the colour of the hubcaps.
Look at the tires.

DF-31AG -
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There are said to be 2 types of TELs for the DF-41. Road mobile plus underground tunnel version and an off-road version. DF-26 and DF-31AG TELs are off-road capable. There is a single image of a DF-41 TEL that has the same tires and said to be the fully off-road capable but we never saw that again -
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. EDIT: notice how sturdy looking this mystery TEL is compared to the others.
 

shanlung

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yeapppp, China just send a message to the US and the world that China has much more than 16 DF-41, probably ~50, my guess
As by Jan 2017, Chinese media have reported the deployment of three brigades of DF-41 ICBMs. There is photographic evidence of a possible fourth brigade of DF-41 ICBMs on the Tibetan plateau. However, we have only counted the number of DF-41 ICBM TELs (ie. Transporter Erector Launcher), or 4 X 12 TELs
It is inefficient to fire only one ballistic missile per launcher. It is more logical to fire two ballistic missiles per launcher. This process is called re-loading. A DF-41 TEL can either be re-loaded with another DF-41 ICBM missile nearby or the DF-41 TEL can drive to a hidden re-supply location for another DF-41 ICBM.
Throw weight of DF-41 is 2,500 kg.
The DF-41 is a three-stage solid-fueled intercontinental ballistic missile reported to have a maximum range of up to 15,000 kilometers (more than 9320 miles) and a top speed of Mach 25 (19,030 mph). It is said to be capable of carrying up to 10 multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRVs). Its launch preparation time is estimated to be between 3 to 5 minutes.

This would make the DF-41 the world's longest range missile, surpassing the range of the US
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which has a reported range of 13,000 km. Throw weight of LGM-30 is only 1000kg or just 3 numbers of 170kton nukes. USA UGM-133 Trident II throw weight is only 2,800 kg.

If you accept that China has one re-load missile for each DF-41 TEL then the total number of Chinese DF-41 ICBMs has to be doubled.
Four brigades of DF-41 ICBMs (Heilongjiang, Henan, Xinjiang, and Tibet Provinces) with one re-load per DF-41 TEL yields 96 total DF-41 ICBMs.
How many brigades of DF-41 since 2017 number of 4 brigades?
6 Brigades or 8 Brigades?











There are 3 brigades of DF5Bs, or 3X12 DF5Bs, throw weight of 5,000 kgs
Might be even more now. And 2 years back, China completed all tests on DF5Cs. Even more powerful than DF5Bs

7 brigades of DF31As, mirving 3 nukes since 2005. I presume DF31AG is even more powerful and accurate.

The combined throw weight of Chinese nukes far exceed USA throw nukes.

China will not be the first to use the nuke.

If just 1 nuke hit China city or China armed forces, the bases of USA around the world in Europe and Diego Garcia and Singapore and Japan and USA herself will be turned into molten seas and lakes of multi color glass .

All the USA carriers that still remained will be taken out. Even if the carrier try to hide in Frisco Bay or Atlantic Ocean.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs.
Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan.
DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA
 

ZeEa5KPul

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Look at the tires.

DF-31AG -
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DF-41 -
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There are said to be 2 types of TELs for the DF-41. Road mobile plus underground tunnel version and an off-road version. DF-26 and DF-31AG TELs are off-road capable. There is a single image of a DF-41 TEL that has the same tires and said to be the fully off-road capable but we never saw that again -
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. EDIT: notice how sturdy looking this mystery TEL is compared to the others.
Two different versions of the TEL is a theory that doesn't make much sense, may I ask where you heard it?

I see the difference in tires but I don't see why that argues for this DF-41 TEL not being off-road capable. Perhaps you can explain why those tires aren't capable. As I understand it, factors like drive configuration, suspension, and gearing are more distinguishing of off-road vehicles than tires, and everything I've read about the HTF5980A indicates that it's 16x16 drive.

This is also the first I'm hearing of two different versions of the TEL. What's the other version called? I tried searching for terms like "HTF5980A1" but came up empty. The last TEL doesn't look any sturdier, it looks like the current one with some kind of skirt attached. If anything, the hydraulic platforms look flimsier on the older version. What I find more intriguing is why the HTF5980A's badge says LM while the HTF5980B's says CASC.
 

Totoro

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Are there any images of df-31ag and jl-2 taken by the same photographer, from the same spot, preferably from the side?
 

Xsizor

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The combined throw weight of Chinese nukes far exceed USA throw nukes.

China will not be the first to use the nuke.

If just 1 nuke hit China city or China armed forces, the bases of USA around the world in Europe and Diego Garcia and Singapore and Japan and USA herself will be turned into molten seas and lakes of multi color glass .

All the USA carriers that still remained will be taken out. Even if the carrier try to hide in Frisco Bay or Atlantic Ocean.

So please be peaceful and respectful and more courtesy, and no more phony FONOPs and playing games of who will blink with China with phony FONOPs.
Do not play with fire regarding Taiwan.
DO NOT THREATEN TO NUKE CHINA
What was that about? Goodness. That was really a bit preachy.
The thing is - US does not care much about Land based ICBM. It therefore has sunk its fiat currency into SLBMs. The Trident II D5 is just the SLBM equivalent of DF-41 (with a little bit less range).
And of course, does China have an equivalent of US Ballistic missile tracking satellites /network - SBIRS for example.
It'd be wise to look up what all satellites are listed under the NRO (National Reconnaissance Office).
The point is - China need to invest more to effectively counter US. Deterrence is of course there, but a well prepared and technologically advanced enemy would exploit the weaknesses in the "kill chain" to minimize the damage it receives in the scenario of a nuclear slug fest.
 
Even DF-41 could carry 10 nukes, I' highly doubt that the case. Most likely 1-3 and the rest are just highly sophisticated decoys

Thats much more effective to have many DF-41 with 1-3 nukes + many decoys ..... than just few DF-41 with 10 nukes

you wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket, would you?

Decoy technology is simple and already very advanced and is almost impossible the enemy is able to differentiate them with the real nuke
 

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