antiterror13
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I was wondering too, I think, there are 2 possibilities
* They were not real
* PLA has much more DF-41 that what showed in the parade (16), the same for JL-2, DF-31AG, etc
I believe the combination of the above
China Ballistic Missiles and Nuclear Arms Thread
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I was wondering too, I think, there are 2 possibilities
* They were not real
* PLA has much more DF-41 that what showed in the parade (16), the same for JL-2, DF-31AG, etc
I believe the combination of the above
So is it correct to say China is the first nation to operate a HGV weapon?
Putin recently told Trump that he can stop his nation's attempts at building a HGV and just buy one from Russia. Read from business insider.
We know the US has publicly reported many failures to HGV attempts and their longest hypersonic flight lasted only a short while.
Russia claims to have HGV in Avangard and Zircon. The latter against smaller and shorter ranged targets but capable of sinking carriers according to claims.
Looks like hypersonics is one area China is not behind on by any measure.
Putin recently told Trump that he can stop his nation's attempts at building a HGV and just buy one from Russia. Read from business insider.
We know the US has publicly reported many failures to HGV attempts and their longest hypersonic flight lasted only a short while.
Russia claims to have HGV in Avangard and Zircon. The latter against smaller and shorter ranged targets but capable of sinking carriers according to claims.
Looks like hypersonics is one area China is not behind on by any measure.
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The TELs were real. They just didn't have missiles in them. No chance in hell were there anything that could have exploded at the parade. No even a bullet. Many mock-ups plus systems like Tanks without any ammo. There were 16x DF-41 during the parade. So, there are probably another 8 to 12 TELs out there hidding in the 5000 km long cave systems.
Those TEL looks pretty real, not sure if there're any live nukes in there (probably not...). Though it doesn't make sense build more TEL(and their crew) then you have missiles, I'm leaning toward those are real operational units or at least soon to be.
Definitely the first one shown with clear wave rider geometry. Reminds me of that mission from call of duty whatever where US special force had to stop PLA from deploying some HGV missle in southeast asia country...
First one shown. The next most promising is Russia, if they don't already have better systems since not much is really known. At least Putin has publicly made claims and they've been observed by neutral countries to have conducted maneueverable HGV tests with lights in the sky. Putin even had the gall to troll Trump about selling him Russian HGVs to "even things up".
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Everyone else have noticed the holes all over the HGV? Small rocket motors or pressurised gas to help with maneuvering and steering exo-atmosphere in usual cases like space capsules and shuttles. I don't think DF-17 goes exo-atm but these could help control the vehicle in hypersonic glide?
The first challenge faced in developing HGV is the glide part, like skipping stones off a water's surface. Controlling hypersonic flight is a remarkable achievement. Now I wonder which American or foreign system China copied off? I suppose those superior minds were generous enough to donate working samples and help Chinese figure out how it all works.
The first challenge faced in developing HGV is the glide part, like skipping stones off a water's surface. Controlling hypersonic flight is a remarkable achievement. Now I wonder which American or foreign system China copied off? I suppose those superior minds were generous enough to donate working samples and help Chinese figure out how it all works.
No chance there are live nukes inside the ICBMs. They remove the nukes and leave them at the base before going on the parade.
Obviously the missiles taking place in the parade are an inconsequential part of the arsenal, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to spare them.
Obviously the missiles taking place in the parade are an inconsequential part of the arsenal, otherwise they wouldn’t be able to spare them.
I haven't noticed, might have to take a better look. But if they were present then it would explain a lot of things, what I did notice was complete lack of control surface seams, those fins appears to be fixed aero surfaces, reaction control makes sense then.
Note that of all the maneuvering re-entry technology (good-ol reaction control, variable center of mass ...etc), none of them bothered with control surface, maybe thermal-protection challenge is too great to handle in such small package.
Another thing is the lack of seam between the booster and glider, I imagine them to be explosive bolt separation.
Conventional ballistic missile tend to fire at 45 degree to maximize range just like artillery, physics is the same. However HGV may have to launch at a much shallower angle in order to "skip" on the edge of atmosphere and not crashing down at 45 degree, so the launch vehicle might have to endure high speed in thick atmo for longer time.
Of cause all of the above oddities have a much simple explanation that they are mock ups...
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