China and North Korea: What Can China Do?

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nosh

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AssassinsMace said:
I was in another forum where a Japanese poster was following along the rhetoric of how China copies everyone else. I had to remind him what's Japan all about but a culture copied from China. That shut the guy up who didn't think about the obvious before putting in the mob mentality foot in the mouth.

Same goes with South Korea. Yeah like they recently didn't claim Confucius was Korean? Or I like how the Vietnamese lay claim to everything Chinese as stolen from them. And all of this was before any of these recent tensions they say has soured relations and alarmed China's neighbors. I also love how all brag about military conquests of China. And all territorial disputes with China are Chinese military conquests of them. The contradiction is they do the very same things all the time yet when China writes history that they dispute it's interpreted as Chinese aggression.

In another forum there was a South African trying to lump himself with the West stinking up the Chinese threads about democracy and freedom and human rights rhetoric. I had to remind him that the West was late in the game in the anti-aparthied movement and was a supporter of it all the time before. China was there from the very beginning of Nelsen Mandela's movement as shown by one of his very first foreign trips after being released from prison was to China. People around the world are being taught rewritten history. Should the Chinese interpret that as aggression especially when the lies directly smear China? Let me guess... anyone else can against China but China can't return the gesture. And they think they're fair and honorable?
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There is no fairness or honor in media when it comes to international affairs that are related to current national interest. Of course there are decent people in the media business, but when comes to national interest, they will always stick to the story that has been rewritten to suit the current interest of their country. Same for the scholars and majority of the public.
 
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Spartan95

Spartan95

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AssassinsMace said:
People around the world are being taught rewritten history.
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True. And this is very sad because it prevents people from learning from past mistakes.

Unfortunately, trying to have an objective history of any nation is not an easy thing to do.

AssassinsMace said:
Let me guess... anyone else can against China but China can't return the gesture. And they think they're fair and honorable?
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The biggest tree catches the most wind.

And this happens not only to PRC, but to any nation that is a big player internationally. Any powerful country will have its critics and supporters (US, USSR in the past, Russia now, PRC, etc) regardless of what they do or don't do.
 
ABC78

ABC78

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Hey guys here's a video presentation from C-SPAN 2 Booknotes the book Defiant Failed State is about North Korea and it's military disposition and it's threat to others.

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Red___Sword

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Spartan95 said:
The biggest tree catches the most wind.

And this happens not only to PRC, but to any nation that is a big player internationally. Any powerful country will have its critics and supporters (US, USSR in the past, Russia now, PRC, etc) regardless of what they do or don't do.
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True. But as an honest human being, YOU can choose NOT TO ADD TO THE "WIND" - especially when yourself is conscious that those "wind" are nothing but BS.
 
AssassinsMace

AssassinsMace

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Spartan95 said:
True. And this is very sad because it prevents people from learning from past mistakes.

Unfortunately, trying to have an objective history of any nation is not an easy thing to do.


The biggest tree catches the most wind.

And this happens not only to PRC, but to any nation that is a big player internationally. Any powerful country will have its critics and supporters (US, USSR in the past, Russia now, PRC, etc) regardless of what they do or don't do.
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There's no excuse to being a hypocrite either? Sort of falls in line with what you said about people not learning from history. And it depends on what your definition of a big tree is. Does population size make one more guilty thus is all right to discriminate. I don't really see how that makes one a criminal. Does that also mean since there are so many Chinese in this world committing crimes against them is not as serious as committing it on someone from a lesser number ethnicity? Again how is one more guilty coming from a bigger tree?

The only thing that rankles China when it comes to someone else rewriting history is Japan. But then again it's China that looks bad at dwelling in the past. Everybody else China has basically given no protest. And there's a lot of revisionist history against China.
 
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PanAsian

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There definitely is a lot of propaganda and deliberate prejudice against China, which is true whenever there is a new kid on the block, especially one with an independent and different culture from the powers that be.

Back on topic though, I think the trend is that all the neigboring countries want North Korea to behave, and for it to choose a more convenient time in the future to implode than during an international economic downturn.
 
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nosh

Junior Member
AssassinsMace said:
There's no excuse to being a hypocrite either? Sort of falls in line with what you said about people not learning from history. And it depends on what your definition of a big tree is. Does population size make one more guilty thus is all right to discriminate. I don't really see how that makes one a criminal. Does that also mean since there are so many Chinese in this world committing crimes against them is not as serious as committing it on someone from a lesser number ethnicity? Again how is one more guilty coming from a bigger tree?

The only thing that rankles China when it comes to someone else rewriting history is Japan. But then again it's China that looks bad at dwelling in the past. Everybody else China has basically given no protest. And there's a lot of revisionist history against China.
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Welcome to the world we are living in.
 
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Red___Sword

Junior Member
PanAsian said:
There definitely is a lot of propaganda and deliberate prejudice against China, which is true whenever there is a new kid on the block, especially one with an independent and different culture from the powers that be.

Back on topic though, I think the trend is that all the neigboring countries want North Korea to behave, and for it to choose a more convenient time in the future to implode than during an international economic downturn.
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Mind I sugguest that change "...all the neigboring countries want North Korea to behave" into ".... Korea Peninsula to behave"?

Leave the great country of South Korea out of the "troblemaking country" picture, is really shallow sighted if not biased.

Tat's my 2 cents.
 
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PanAsian

Major
Red___Sword said:
Mind I sugguest that change "...all the neigboring countries want North Korea to behave" into ".... Korea Peninsula to behave"?

Leave the great country of South Korea out of the "troblemaking country" picture, is really shallow sighted if not biased.

Tat's my 2 cents.
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Fair enough, specifically the current right wing government of South Korea.
 
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Delbert

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If China wanted to teach the South Koreans a lesson for its souring relationship.

Why not cut of aid to North Korea and let it fall? Then China closes its borders, not allowing any refugees to come in and deport the remaining North Korean refugees to South Korea? Surely South Korea will crumble and they will be in big trouble.. Especially on a sudden and full scale unification with NK and SK economic disparity very huge. Hahaha..

Just my 2 cent of idea.

Anyway, I would also assume with that SK will start to expel US forces from its soil given the fact there is no longer any necessity for US to stay since NK threat was gone. What China just need to do is to behave well and be friendly so that SK will not be threatened and seek help from USA.

And who knows China might gain a new neighbor ally?? though unlikely, but who knows.. World politics changes...
 
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