Can China wage "small wars"?

Finn McCool

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Chinese Nationals Flee Solomon Islands By RAY LILLEY, Associated Press Writer
Sat Apr 22, 3:15 PM ET



HONIARA, Solomon Islands - Nearly 90 Chinese refugees fled the troubled Solomon Islands on a Beijing chartered aircraft Saturday — the second group to quit the Pacific archipelago after a series of riots razed their homes and businesses.

Arsonists, looters and rioters inflicted tens of millions of dollars in damage on the capital Honiara's Chinatown district this week, sparked by rumors that either China or Taiwan had paid lawmakers to elect an unpopular new prime minister, Snyder Rini.

Rini served in a previous administration accused of corruption.

Gao Feng, a diplomat who traveled from China's embassy in nearby Papua New Guinea to help with the evacuation, said the Solomon Islands no longer were safe for ethnic Chinese.

"Most of these people are homeless, their livelihoods are finished so they have to go," he told The Associated Press as he helped 89 evacuees into trucks heading for the airport.

"People feel their lives are being threatened, too, even though half of them are citizens of Solomon Islands."

The Solomon Islands, like many other Pacific island countries, is caught in a tug of war for diplomatic influence between China and Taiwan, which split amid civil war a half-century ago.

The nation is one of a handful that officially recognizes Taiwan, but China is trying to lure it and Taiwan's other diplomatic allies away. Both sides accuse the other of spending lavishly to influence the outcome of the tussle.

Some experts have said the "dollar diplomacy" exercised by both China and Taiwan has destabilized the Pacific and exacerbated problems of corruption in the region.

Beijing and Taipei vehemently deny having any influence on Rini's election, but a widespread belief among many locals that both governments may have meddled has prompted a general anti-Asian backlash.

Over the past few days, Australia, New Zealand and Fiji have boosted police and troop numbers in Honiara to more than 1,050 to restore law and order.

Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer met with Rini on Saturday to discuss the ongoing tensions in the capital and encourage deep reforms.

Following those talks, Downer said the Solomon Islands must fight corruption.

"Economic reform is going to be central to the survival of the country," Downer told reporters. "There needs to be significant improvement. There is no doubt corruption has been a major problem in this country over a long period of time."

Rini responded by saying anyone with knowledge of corruption in government should present their evidence to the authorities.

"I'm not saying he (Downer) is wrong, but I say there should be evidence before we can say ... there is corruption," the prime minister said.

Meanwhile, Rini is encouraging members of the Chinese community — which controls much of the retail and business sector in Honiara — to stay, promising a share of the government's "meager resources" to help them recover their losses.

But as Rini spoke, dozens of refugees, many clutching bundles of personal possessions, rode through the capital on the back of open trucks, escorted by armed troops and police.

At the airport, dozens of Chinese mingled as they awaited their departure, some hugging bottles of water, others hugging neighbors who came to say farewell.

Some said they planned to leave for good; others said they planned to return when the crisis lessened.

But for some, like 69-year-old merchant and farmer Paul Yee, leaving was not an option.

"I have no place to escape (to)," he said. "I am a Solomon Islander."

This is the sort of situation I've been talking about for a while. Would the PLA be able to rescue/evacuate its citizens from a small, weak nation like the Solomon Islands, or invade it? This isn't resticted to the Solomons, it is just a good example. Chinese logistical, naval and special forces capability would probably be good enough, in my opinion, but the would definately have many more problems than for example the US did in the invasion if Panama. Basically the topic is "Is China able to wage a small, short war against a weak nation in order to protect its growing international interests, even though it is a great distance from China and has an abundance of weapons?" Examples of countries that might see a Chinese "intervention" in this manner are Central asian countries, the Solomons, Nepal, Brunei, esentially places that are a bit unstable and where China has citizens and interests. :china:
 
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bd popeye

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I don't think the PLA has the ablity to invade the Solomons like the US did Panama in '89. But I think they would have the ablity to rescue a group of PRC citizens from such a place.

The PLA forces lack the logistical capability to invade as of this moment. No forward bases. Lack of airlift ability. Lack of sealift. Limited airborne refueling ability.

A rescue mission would be quite different. You just need a small highly trained force that has only one mission..rescue. Quick in..perform the rescue and return to the PRC. Basically you need to gain a landing zone. Secure it. Perform the rescue and leave as quickly as possible. That can be done by PLA forces.
 
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Roger604

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Remember that episode back in the mid-90's when Indonesia was ethnic cleansing its Chinese population? There are millions of ethnic Chinese in Indonesia and they've been there for generations. There were a lot of rapes, according to reports.

This would be the kind of scenario where a PLAN aircraft carrier could provide humanitarian assistance and security. Going through the UN is another option, but it takes a lot more time.

Finally, China has fought small border skirmishes with bordering countries. But it historically has not acted on impulse but waited until things got really ugly, like the Sino-Vietnamese conflict.
 

Vlad Plasmius

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Considering the Solomon Islands have no military capability. . . . . . . uh.. . . . . yeah. The Chinese could certainly do this. Just three or four Il-76s drop in and unload like 570 troops and completely dominate the islands then evacuate any citizens. It wouldn't take much force, would quickly end, and provide a suitable base for future operations.
 

Finn McCool

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This is why I think the PLAN needs to have an Indian Ocean base, so it can react all around the reigion very quickly. China should gear its future military development not towards a very unlikely was with the United Staes, but towards smaller conflicts China is engaged in to protect its economic interests.
 
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Roger604 said:
Remember that episode back in the mid-90's when Indonesia was ethnic cleansing its Chinese population? There are millions of ethnic Chinese in Indonesia and they've been there for generations. There were a lot of rapes, according to reports.

This would be the kind of scenario where a PLAN aircraft carrier could provide humanitarian assistance and security. Going through the UN is another option, but it takes a lot more time.

Which is why I've always said an LPH would be better for China in the short-term than a platform to launch strike-aircraft :p

I like the idea of China going to the UN for help - doesn't it insist that nations should stay out of the internal affairs of other countries, regardless of what's going on there? :rolleyes:

*cough* DARFUR *cough* DARFUR

Ah, what irony there would be.....

Pop is right. Invasion would be difficult, rescue would be a lot simpler. He said it a lot better than I could, so I'll leave it there ;)

Vlad, the French had difficulty pacifying a few island natives armed with bows & arrows, despite sending in the cream of their armed forces. When your supply lines are overstretched/non-existant then one slip-up can end a military endeavour. Of course if any such government raised the white flag at the sign of a PLA helo, then fair enough. But if they tried to fight it wouldn't necessarily be that easy.
 
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Vlad, the French had difficulty pacifying a few island natives armed with bows & arrows, despite sending in the cream of their armed forces.

This is the French you're talking about here... the only strategy that ever worked for them was the I Surender Attack, succesfully executed against great odds during WWII. How can a bow even manage to kill a modern soldier?
 

Gollevainen

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How can a bow even manage to kill a modern soldier?

same way as it killed acient soliders...

...But i advice you to not making such a lame and immature comments about french, Remeber you are on the edge with two warnings already, don't get a third from silly countrybashings like these...
 

Dongfeng

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Theoretically China has the capability to use naval forces to evacuate her citizens from Solomon, but it will take PLA Navy weeks to moblise its ships and forces before a taks group/force can be dispatched, which would be too late for an emergency situation like this.

However, from legal point of view, there is no reason why China needs to send military forces to evacuate its citizens. The riots were started by general public, not by Solomon government (and its government had no intension to do so). So the two countries are not in the state of war. Unless the situation gets much worse, charted civil aircraft would be enough to fulfil the mission.
 

FreeAsia2000

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Dongfeng said:
Theoretically China has the capability to use naval forces to evacuate her citizens from Solomon, but it will take PLA Navy weeks to moblise its ships and forces before a taks group/force can be dispatched, which would be too late for an emergency situation like this.

However, from legal point of view, there is no reason why China needs to send military forces to evacuate its citizens. The riots were started by general public, not by Solomon government (and its government had no intension to do so). So the two countries are not in the state of war. Unless the situation gets much worse, charted civil aircraft would be enough to fulfil the mission.

Exactly.

Also China does not want to create the perception that it engages in gunboat
diplomacy which would have grave consequences for the other ethnic han people living in south east asia.

It would be best to mount a rescue attempt
 
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