Cambodian-Thai border started gunfire

Semi-Lobster

Junior Member
The Terrain around the Dangrek mountains is hardly suited for tank warfare or any other armoured vehicle, small arms and artillery will probably be the exclusive weapon on both sides. Thailand using its Air Force would be a blatant sign of escalation and would lead to the situation spiraling out of control but as we all know the Thai government has the threat of a coup floating above their heads so like MwRYum said, they cannot back down. It is in Cambodia's best interest to defuse the situation though to avoid damaging the temple and their claim in my biased opinion, is strong than Thailand's for the disputed territory.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
According to local media and a formal declaration of the Cambodian Ministry of Foreign Affair (through television), the Thai soldiers kept detonating grenades and shooting in their soil as an aggressive movement in the past few days. Cambodian didn't answer to this aggression.

Thailand refuse any mediation of U.N and only agree to solve the dispute bilaterally. According to Cambodian government, solving the dispute bilaterally means war because Thailand believe they can win any war against its poorer neighbor.
 

Spartan95

Junior Member
Looks like ASEAN managed to mediate in the Thai-Cambodia border dispute:

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Thailand, Cambodia agree to Indonesian observers at
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Thailand and Cambodia agreed on Tuesday to allow civilian and unarmed military observers from Indonesia to be posted along their border, where bloody clashes over territory surrounding a centuries-old temple erupted anew earlier this month, killing at least 11 people.

The agreement, brokered by a meeting of Association for Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) foreign ministers, is a breakthrough for the 10-member group long derided as a talking shop.

The move will likely go a long way towards stopping the fighting as, without independent verification, each side has blamed the other for starting the sporadic but frequently bloody clashes.

"This is just a fix but ASEAN will paint this as a success, and it is a success," said Michael Montesano, a research fellow at Singapore's Institute of Southeast Asian Studies

"In achieving this, they have taken a step towards a very different ASEAN. The outside world will beparticularly pleased that ASEAN has the ability to keep its house in order."

Although full details were not immediately available, Indonesian Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said each team would consist of up to 20 military and civilian members charged with observing a cease-fire agreed by both sides.

He said the teams would depart in a matter of weeks, if not days.

"It's quite a unique regiment in the sense that Indonesian observers will be on both sides of the boundaries, on the Thai side as well as on the Cambodian side," Natalegawa told reporters after meeting ASEAN counterparts.

He said the observers would report to both ASEAN and the United Nations Security Council.

APPEARED INEFFECTIVE

ASEAN, which prides itself on non-interference in members' internal affairs, has often appeared ineffective in resolving disputes among members.

The group includes Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.

Fighting erupted between Thai and Cambodian forces early this month on a disputed stretch of border at the 900-year old Preah Vihear temple.

At least three Thais and eight Cambodians were killed and dozens of people wounded in the February 4-7 exchanges. Sporadic clashes have broken out since then.

An international court awarded the temple to Cambodia 49 years ago but both countries lay claim to a 4.6 sq km patch of land near it.

They have been locked in a standoff since July 2008, when Preah Vihear was granted UNESCO World Heritage status, which Thailand opposed on grounds that the land around the temple had never been demarcated.

Cambodia initially asked the U.N. Security Council to deploy peacekeepers at the border and it has also asked for ASEAN observers. Thailand has called for a bilateral solution but said it welcomed ASEAN's "support.

The Preah Vihear temple, known as Khao Phra Viharn in Thailand, sits on a wedge of land on an escarpment that forms a natural border overlooking northern Cambodia.

The International Court of Justice in 1962 awarded the temple to Cambodia, which uses a century-old French map as the basis for its territorial claims, but the ruling failed to determine ownership of the scrub next to it.

(Writing by David Fox; Editing by Sanjeev Miglani)
 

SteelBird

Colonel
Look like Indonesia is the only nation that stands on the Cambodian side. Others including China might be fear of Thailand while Uncle Sam and the U.N don't stir their fingers on this matter. Actually Cambodia has many of their troops trained in Indonesia especially the 911 paratroopers.
 

solarz

Brigadier
Look like Indonesia is the only nation that stands on the Cambodian side. Others including China might be fear of Thailand while Uncle Sam and the U.N don't stir their fingers on this matter. Actually Cambodia has many of their troops trained in Indonesia especially the 911 paratroopers.

Why would China fear Thailand? I imagine China would try to stay out of the conflict, but if Cambodia ever specifically requests Chinese support (which I doubt will happen), China would likely consider it. After all, China launched a war against Vietnam in order to support Cambodia.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
The word "fear" I used here may be exaggerated but I mean everybody tries to stay away from the conflict in favor of relationship with Thailand. If they have to choose side then they would choose Thailand over Cambodia. This can be seen as Cambodia has very good relationship with and rely on China. After the first clash in 2008 (?), Cambodia imported a big deal of arms from China, even the BM-21 that fired into Thai soil are made in China (a few of them have Russian origin). But recently (a few months before the new clash), Cambodia imported another big deal of fighting vehicle include 44 APC and 55 MBT. Why did they choose Russia over China as the supplying source? My guess is China refused to sell due to Thailand's complaint.
 

MwRYum

Major
Why would China fear Thailand? I imagine China would try to stay out of the conflict, but if Cambodia ever specifically requests Chinese support (which I doubt will happen), China would likely consider it. After all, China launched a war against Vietnam in order to support Cambodia.

More like they try to keep this within ASEAN (though how effective it'd be is very doubtful, since ASEAN is under-perform as a regional political platform), and to stay good in world opinion, China is more than happy to stay out but keep a watchful eye on the situation - for now - unless one of the disputed party requested China to mediate.

Besides, this isn't the first time the 2 countries traded gunfire over that part of the territory.

Now, it'd left to see how far Thailand is going to go. for their current government facing a greater crisis if they can't resolve it in anything that'd be seen as favorable to their domestic opinion.
 

delft

Brigadier
It might be a good idea for everyone to procrastinate and give time for a return perhaps to the court in The Hague. It might also be a good opportunity for ASEAN to develop diplomatic mechanisms.
 

SteelBird

Colonel
It might be a good idea for everyone to procrastinate and give time for a return perhaps to the court in The Hague. It might also be a good opportunity for ASEAN to develop diplomatic mechanisms.

Hi, delft. Your speech sounds like a song. Unfortunately, the Thai has no sincerity to solve the dispute peacefully at all. You wanna prove it? When Cambodia calls for a third party to mediate the dispute, Thailand refuses it and want to solve the dispute bilaterally. So, what means solving the dispute bilaterally? To fight until one side kneels down and beg for mercy, and Thailand have full confidence that they will be the winner.

I understand
 

Finn McCool

Captain
Registered Member
Part of me thinks that Cambodia could teach Thailand a smart, painful lesson and make Bangkok more disposed towards fair negotiation with a well organized and executed surprise attack against Thailand. The forces would have to be massed incrementally and with attention to stealth. Infiltration of small infantry units over the period of a few hours, at night, throughout the Thai frontlines in Preah Vihear and the surrounding region, then a massive rocket and arty attack followed by ambushes on Thai positions by the infiltrated infantry, and an armored/infantry attack in waves from the border. Secure a little pocket of Thailand, protect it with SAMs and massed artillery back in Cambodia. Perhaps execute a commando-sabotage operation against an important Thai port and/or airbase/s. Send a massive arms shipment to Muslim guerillas in South Thailand. Hit them hard and fast and target their psychology. Make them freak out and sue for peace as the UN and AESAN and US pressure everyone to end the war. Let internal differences in Thailand erupt.

The other part of me thinks that perhaps Thailand has more resolve than I think it does. This part of me also wonders if Cambodia is capable of such an operation.
 
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