Brother of Ling Jihua Reveals China's nuclear launch code and top secrets to US

Josh Luo said:

Well, the fact that the CCP is struggling to deal with Ling Jihua could be a sign of vulnerability. When you have is a situation when corrupt officials like Ling Jihua have their own power bases in China, while their families already reside in North America and Australia. It is clear that the FBI is protecting members of the Ling Family residing in the U.S. My point is as long as corrupt CCP officials have family members and wealth in the U.S., these corrupt officials and their cronies could simply switch side and assist the FBI or CIA if Xi Jinping decides to go after these corrupt officials and their cronies. In a life-to-death political struggle, my enemy's enemy is my friend. Thus, the Ling Jihua case is an example of the CCP's vulnerability because corrupt officials who lose Xi's favor could simply become an asset for the West in dealing with China. These corrupt officials also have more than enough internal info that Western intelligence agencies need. For the FBI and CIA, these corrupt officials who switch sides are important assets in helping the former to contain Xi Jinping and his ambitions, so you could even argue that the FBI and CIA are indirectly incentivizing corrupt officials like Ling Jihua to commit treason.

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What you said is true everywhere; scorned politicians can betray their country. There is no argument there. The question is, did the US gain any useful information from Ling that helps it achieve its desires today of stunting China's economic, technological, or military development. Is there any evidence that America's actions today are guided by Ling's information? Because only if there is this specific evidence should we even be discussing this here.

I'm leaning with "no" just because the US doesn't seem to be successful at achieving these goals. If this is what it can do with help, what kind of meaningless flailing would it be doing without? But then again, you cannot assume that someone is not being helped just because he's failing for the same reason you can't assume that an ace student is cheating.

Since the US is in command of China's nuclear arsenal, how come they haven't launch Chinese ICBMs on India to make it look like China attacked India and therefore get the world to gang-up on China?

AssassinsMace said:

China is so distraught that after more than two years Beijing still hasn't changed the launch codes...?

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how do you know Beijing hasn't ?

antiterror13 said:

how do you know Beijing hasn't ?

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He's being sarcastic, as in, Beijing would have to be comically stupid to have neglected to change them and render the old codes useless the instant they realized that Ling was a security threat. As a matter of fact, the US likely never got anything other than expired codes from Ling since it was 2 years in between the time that Ling threatened the CCP and the time they decided to arrest his brother. 2 years is likely the amount it time it took for all of his information to become more or less irrelevant which is why they decided to make the arrest then.

Yes, I brought this up back then. This is like when the KJ-200 crashed or when one of the Beidou satellites failed to reach orbit, there were people on the anti-China side that said China could never recovery from these setbacks. I'm waiting right now for someone to claim the same for the Wing Loong 2 that was shot down and China is going halt its entire drone program. That's why they thought Trump starting a trade war with China would collapse China immediately. It more wishful thinking than anything else. If the US were that much in control, they would be using it. They would be no grey area. It's as absolute as believing the US needs no one while everyone needs the US. That's what driving Trump's minions not because they're exploiting Ling Jihua secrets.

This is like that Swedish/Chinese bookseller story. The Swedish ambassador to China was using backdoor channels via two Chinese businessmen as front men to see if they can arrange the bookseller's release from China. The Swedish government claims to have no knowledge this operation was going on and Beijing supposedly didn't know the Swedish ambassador was behind it. But they told the bookseller's daughter and she then immediately exposed it to the public ruining the chances of her father being released. The bookseller's daughter didn't understand how anything she did was wrong. It was her father and she had right to tell anyone she wanted.

Why would this Ling Jihua let it known publicly that he had these secrets when China could take measures to make this information useless? People who believe this story value the embarrassment they think China will go through more than it being used against China in which chances are the secrets were lies for embarrassment purposes and not of any real value. Now they're trying to spin that Trump is using this information now. All Trump is doing is acting like the world needs the US more than the US needs them. That's the typical normal arrogance that comes from idiots. Trump kept on arguing with military advisors how come the US can't use nukes? He doesn't think other countries will nuke back like Peter Navarro told Trump no country would dare retaliate against US tariffs. That's not a sign of genius. It's a sign of stupidity.

AssassinsMace said:

Now they're trying to spin that Trump is using this information now.

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Nobody's trying to spin it that way. Ultra said he "thinks" they might be using the information. Waiting to see if he has any evidence to link them but looking at the way the Trump administration conducts business and the results they get, it does not at all look like clever moves with a great deal of intel behind them.

manqiangrexue said:

Nobody's trying to spin it that way. Ultra said he "thinks" they might be using the information. Waiting to see if he has any evidence to link them but looking at the way the Trump administration conducts business and the results they get, it does not at all look like clever moves with a great deal of intel behind them.

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Well we've discussed this before about who I think who "they" are being one in the same.

manqiangrexue said:

I'm leaning with "no" just because the US doesn't seem to be successful at achieving these goals. If this is what it can do with help, what kind of meaningless flailing would it be doing without? But then again, you cannot assume that someone is not being helped just because he's failing for the same reason you can't assume that an ace student is cheating.

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I think we need to wait and see. These corrupt officials and their cronies are smarter than we think, and they probably could hurt the CCP more than we assume. The fact they could maneuver between CCP and the U.S.-led intelligence community shows that we cannot underestimate individuals like Ling.