Did you have seen the aerodynamic profile of the JSF ? compaired to the Typhoon or Rafale it don't have any advantage, that's why they inclued the TVC, and the performances of the plane will not surpass the F-16.MrClean said:I really doubt that anyone can say that for sure. The Eurofighter and Rafale are both excellent aircraft in both close in combat and BVR. You ask me the EF is the better of the two. But I don't think that you can say that it can beat another aircraft that it will probably never face in a real situation anyway. The EF and Rafale are both very maneuverable, but is there any proof that they are any more agile than the JSF that has TVC? Has there been any mock dogfights? I think not.
The US used their EW planes a lot during this War, indeed, the Iraqi Air Defence was blind due to the extensive use of EF-111 Raven and EA-6B Prowler. The F-4 Wild Weasel did their mission very well too, after the road was opened to bomber. During the Allied Force operation, it was another story...MrClean said:Also, I have heard about the recent tension over the JSF and it's supposed problem with it's stealth, and how that pissed off the UK and Australians. But still, the last I've heard, the JSFs 'curved stealth' tech still makes it's RCS smaller than that of the F-117. How much stealthier do you need it really? In the first Gulf War, the Nighthawk flew something like 3-4% of the missions, but accounted for over 25% of the successfully destryed targets. Not one was ever shot down. They were hardly ever detected on the Iraqi radar, if ever.
The EF get a PIRATE IRST/FLIR, with this, it can see BVR targets, the IR radiations are very hard to reduce on a plane, and this combined to IIR systems (target appearance recognition) the JSF can be stealth to radars but not to good IRST/FLIR.MrClean said:If the JSF has better stealth than that... Than all I can say is that the EF might have superior maneuverability, but you can't shoot what you can't see. All the JSF will have to do is stay out of visual range, and wait for some back up from his Raptor or Eagle-E buddies, or he could just launch one of his many possible AMRAAMS or Sidewinder-X.
So refer to previous paragraph I'm so sorry to destroy your arguments...:rofl:MrClean said:I still have yet to see any proof that any of these planes are better than any other. If you ask me they are all very capable next-generation aircraft. IMO, they could all three easily fit in the #2 spot of best air superiority fighters, right behind the F-22.