Boston Terror Attack

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TerraN_EmpirE said:

One question needing to be answered is what line of hardware they had. Massachusetts has strict gun laws its a very blue state and modern sporting rifles are banned and have been for a long time. Did they make their explosives or were they using ready made stuff. Despite what some of our european and asian readers may think its not easy or cheap to get that stuff in the US and its even harder here in Massachusetts. So if they did buy it out of state where did they get the cash?

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These guys had some very well made IEDs and explosives that are not easy to get...and are usually tracked by the authorities here...not to mention the weapons.

The huge question...and now they have a better chance of answering it since they got the younger one alive...is did they have any help? Were there others who supplied them, possibly trained them, etc.?

cn_habs said:

What do you mean?

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I think he is saying that Dzhokhar's mother over in Russia has told others that her son was interviewed by the FBI, perhaps at the behest of the Russians, two years ago. That's how Iread it.

I heard about that too. I took it as the media confirming the brothers had terrorist links that another country earlier would ask the FBI to question him. If the mother said it, maybe she was setting up an excuse that her son was motivated because he was being harassed.

MwRYum said:

You DO know that's something nobody - with the exception of the terrorists - wants to find out for real, right?

Though I kinda worry for the Chinese and HK people in this context, because we just lack the "keep calm and carry on" mentality, way too easy succumb to panic; and newspapers in HK loves something like that because "fear sells", which they'd run stories and speculations to further stokes fear amongst the population, sells more newspapers and reap profit under the guise of "freedom of press".

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HK handled 2002 WTO pretty well for most part, and was also able to handle SARS and swine flu effectively as well. With that said, indeed the moms and aunties, along with HK's dense population, could really be an issue. Media will really depend on who you're talking about. TVB probably will not have too much issues because they would be working with HK government very closely, given they're the mainstream and #1 broadcast in HK. ATV, on the other hand, can be a bit more concerning.

And for some reason I can picture the CTU, PTU, SDU, HKPD everywhere in the streets quite the same way as the Bostonians did.


However, how HK and US handled these crises made me wonder if developed societies learn from their incidents very quick. Boston's event could probably be relayed to the Oklahoma Bombing and 9/11, while HK's would be SARS.

And sometimes it's quite spectacular how the names of the incident coincide with some aspects of where the event took place.

For example: 9/11 as to 911(emergency number), SARS as to SARS (HK's official designated name)
Oh and please don't take the last statement seriously

cn_habs said:

What do you mean?

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AssassinsMace said:

I heard about that too. I took it as the media confirming the brothers had terrorist links that another country earlier would ask the FBI to question him. If the mother said it, maybe she was setting up an excuse that her son was motivated because he was being harassed.

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Or perhaps she was right....

FBI checked out Boston Marathon bomb suspect in 2011
Published April 20, 2013
| FoxNews.com

Officials from an unnamed foreign country asked the FBI two years ago to investigate Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev because they were concerned that he possibly had “extremist ties,” Fox News has learned.
FBI officials familiar with the request say that they obliged, giving Tsarnaev, who is suspected with his younger brother of planting the bombs that killed three and injured 176, a full “scrubbing” - or background check.
“We did not find anything,” the official told Fox News.
Feds at the time had reported back to the foreign government and told them that their investigation yielded no results, but asked that their foreign counterparts follow up if they had any new information. There was no further action by either nation.
“[Not] in any way, shape or form,” said the official, who added that the FBI closed the case as a result.
Tamerlan, who was originally identified by officials as Suspect No. 1 on Thursday, was killed early Friday morning during a gun battle with police in Watertown, Mass.
He and his 19-year-old brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, are Chechen Muslims and authorities believe the older brother may have had military training overseas. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, according to a high-ranking law enforcement official, spent six months living in Russia last year.
He departed for Russia at the beginning of last year and returned to the United States in mid-2012, the official told FoxNews.com.
He once told a freelance photojournalist in 2009, “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”
In July of the same year was arrested by the Cambridge Police Department for what has been reported as a possible domestic assault on his then-girlfriend.
FoxNews' Mike Levine and Perry Chiaramonte contributed reporting to this story.

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So Dzhokhar was interviewed in regards to his brother Tamerlan , That means his Brother was on Someone's Radar, And The FBI is kicking it's self asking why they did not catch anything. Part of A investigation into the events includes finding out how these guys slipped though the cracks.
Still A lot to learn about this but the FBI having Dzhokhar means a lot of the First person acount may be answered.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

One question needing to be answered is what line of hardware they had. Massachusetts has strict gun laws its a very blue state and modern sporting rifles are banned and have been for a long time. Did they make their explosives or were they using ready made stuff. Despite what some of our european and asian readers may think its not easy or cheap to get that stuff in the US and its even harder here in Massachusetts. So if they did buy it out of state where did they get the cash?

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Incorrect! It's not that expensive to buy ball bearings, nails, pressure cookers and blackpowder. Heck if you're careful the blackpowder you find in most firecrackers would do the job just as well. Shotgun shells are also legal in all 50 states. They are not that regulated even in 'strict' gun states like MA. a $100 worth of firecrackers, $100 worth of shotgun shells have enough gunpowder in them that you can make a bomb that is 10X more lethal if properly packed and executed.

There are many DIYs and HowTos guides on the internet on making bombs BUT you guys already know all that.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

So Dzhokhar was interviewed in regards to his brother Tamerlan , That means his Brother was on Someone's Radar, And The FBI is kicking it's self asking why they did not catch anything.

...but the FBI having Dzhokhar means a lot of the First person acount may be answered.

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Yep...sounds sort of like the 1st WTC attack.

There, the FBI actually had people on the inside of the group...who were saying that the thing needed to be shut down because they were getting to close...but they were over-ruled and they conducted the attack which killed a number, and injured a lot more, and almost had the capability to bring the tower down back then.

I doubt this investigation one was that far along...at least I hope not.

kwaigonegin said:

Incorrect! It's not that expensive to buy ball bearings, nails, pressure cookers and blackpowder. Heck if you're careful the blackpowder you find in most firecrackers would do the job just as well. Shotgun shells are also legal in all 50 states. They are not that regulated even in 'strict' gun states like MA. a $100 worth of firecrackers, $100 worth of shotgun shells have enough gunpowder in them that you can make a bomb that is 10X more lethal if properly packed and executed.

There are many DIYs and HowTos guides on the internet on making bombs BUT you guys already know all that.

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Fireworks are illegal in mass. shotgun shells are a possibility. The fragmentation is however common. But unless the cops were doing all the shooting these guys had to have somekind of firepower

My guess is that the older brother Tamerlan who went back to Russia for awhile in 2011 probably received some training on how to make the pressure cooker bomb and how to obtain the necessary items in the states. Because there's no way he could down load those instructions online without getting the authorities to notice it.

airsuperiority said:

I can only say, excellent job US, and Boston, all the way, from the moment of management of the explosions to this final moment of truth. Their organization, efficiency is classic and inspirational for law enforcements worldwide to learn to how to deal with these types of threat. I also say, for the first time, excellent coverage of the media. Neither were they late to the scene(although sometimes CNN is a bit slow), and nor did they seem to have done anything which would jeapordize the entire operation. Of course the public seemed very complaint too.

Overall, Boston Strong!

I really think how Boston handled everything is exceptional, efficient, they truly set an example for the rest of the world to learn.

It's only a wonder if China or the rest of the world can pull off handling of a case as similar to this as efficient, effective, or to the standards that Boston had demonstrated. The entire operation is massive, and within an urban setting it's very hard to contain as it is. I let alone myself, can't guarantee already that the VPD, RCMP, could do quite the job Bostonians did. Even for the HKPD, while I know they have experiences with armed bank robberies, I don't think they have experiences handling manhunt to this scale.

Finally of course how would China handled it? Would they have done it as well as the Bostonians? Or would they fall short somewhere? Or would they have a varied approach that is effective and for others to learn from? And of course another question would be the population density. And of course sadly I do think if China had pulled off a curfew/lockdown or curfew, random bashers or biased human rights activists and groups and critics would call out on China as abusing police power and establishing martial law.

And from this incident, I sort of concluded China bashers = America's version of Alex Jones

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Now I'm not one of those that expects 100% perfection because human nature is not 100% perfect but let's face the fact that these two brothers rapid end came about because of chance and their choices. Which basically is the norm with how most crimes come to a conclusion. They didn't need to rob the 7-11 store nor ambush and kill that MIT police officer. They were acts of defiance and to grab attention after the FBI released their pictures on TV. The elder brother was killed soon after because of it. The last bomber was discovered because authorities lifted the lockdown after believing he had escaped the area. It was only then where people felt comfortable to go outside to which when one notice something strange in his own yard to which then he discovered the bomber hiding on his boat.

From the time of the Boston Marathon bombing on Monday to Thursday afternoon when the FBI released their pictures to the public meant their case needed the public's help to find the two on the video because everything else was going nowhere. The brothers coming out after that were their choice. It wasn't because someone recognized them and the chase was on. When the events were unfolding Thursday evening I was up all night watching it. The part of town where the last bomber was discovered, the police before had swarmed that area early on. I was watching it live on TV. A lot of police activity was happening in that area but apparently nothing came of it. Then Friday evening I see the same scene happening where police were flooding into the area again where the last bomber was finally arrested. So they didn't find him going house to house before when they were doing their sweep? There are questions that come up.

It basically tells me nothing extraordinary happened and the police did their jobs best they could under these circumstances and if this incident occurred basically anywhere else with an organized police force, the outcome would not have been any different.