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Spartan95

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Interesting points you brought up.

1. Coolant. You are right that the ocean provides a virtually unlimited supply of coolant for a naval nuclear reactor. However, space offers its own advantages because heat can be radiated away (particularly in the frigid regions in the Earth's shadow). This is a useful feature for most types of satellite orbit that criss-crosses the planet's day and night zones in a matter of hours.

2. Maintenance. Does not have to be done entirely by astronauts. That's why NASA and GM developed the Robonaut 2:

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A Robonaut is a dexterous humanoid robot built and designed at NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas. Our challenge is to build machines that can help humans work and explore in space. Working side by side with humans, or going where the risks are too great for people, Robonauts will expand our ability for construction and discovery. Central to that effort is a capability we call dexterous manipulation, embodied by an ability to use one's hand to do work, and our challenge has been to build machines with dexterity that exceeds that of a suited astronaut.

3. Orbit load. The benchmark of an Astute SSN with a displacement of 7,400 in relation to a space shuttle's load carrying capability is hardly representative due to the following issues:

a. A sub has a significant portion of its weight on its pressure hull (2 hulls to be exact) that is designed to take the huge pressures in the ocean's depths. It also includes life support and combat systems for its entire crew (including food and water storage, air handling systems, refrigeration and heating systems, etc). The propulsion system(s) of a sub also takes up tremendous weight, since it is designed to propel the sub (all 7,400 tonnes of it) at high speeds when needed. Take away all these, and the weight of the sub's nuclear reactor is a lot less. With miniaturisation that trades power output for weight, I would think that it would be light enough to be launched into orbit. Particularly since the current sub's nuclear reactor is likely to have a power output of more than 50MW. Even India's indigenous nuclear sub has a declared power output of 180MW.

b. It is interesting that you choose the space shuttle as the benchmark for putting loads into orbit. That is hardly the heaviest lifting means to put loads into orbit. For that, the US have the Saturn V series of rockets:

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The payload it can carry into orbit is 129,300 kg (285,000 lb). That's more than sufficient to launch 2 M1 Abrams MBTs (other than the bulk) in 1 launch.

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Some interesting excerpts from the link you provided about Nuclear Powered Space Missions.

On the Russian RORSAT nuclear powered satellites, this was mentioned in the link:

2.2.1 RORSAT Nuclear Reactors
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Considerable electronic deficiencies enforced simple but power-consuming solutions, as a result of which only a small nuclear reactor could be used.

"Disposal" of the nuclear reactor after use (trust the Russians to do this):

2.2.1 RORSAT Nuclear Reactors
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A RORSAT consists of three major components: the payload and propulsion section, the nuclear reactor, and the disposal stage, which is used to maneuver the reactor to an orbit of 900 to 1,000 km of altitude at the end of the mission.

Weight and dimensions (built with USSR's technology in the 50s):

2.2.1 RORSAT Nuclear Reactors
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A RORSAT weighs 3,800 kg, of which 1,250 kg are made up by the reactor and the disposal stage. These two components are 5.3 m long.

More interestingly:

2.3 Other Nations - "RTG Technology Is Not Available"

Up to date, no other nations launched nuclear powered space missions and little information is available about corresponding research programs. The American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) sums the status up as follows:

"During the 1960s and early 1970s several other nations, including France, Germany, and the United Kingdom (U.K.) examined space nuclear reactor power systems. In the 1980s some studies were done by Japan and the U.K. The French government assembled a design team that worked on a reactor concept employing a Brayton cycle to convert reactor heat into electrical power. The French, Japanese, and Chinese now have small programs to explore the use of space nuclear technologies.
 
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Hey guys, interesting stuff, the power generation issue in space I mean. Esp as it not only relates to militarily used satellites, but also to (human) space travel and bases on Moon or Mars even.
I've looked into this slightly out of interest and it seems that the development of mini nuclear reactors is a lot further than I thought. There's multiple companies now that plan to develop small reactors (the size of a big fridge up to some meters) within 5 to 10years. They can develop outputs of some kW up to 20 & later 50MW. These reactors are meant to run completely selfsufficient for 8 up to 30+ yrs.
Primarily, this things are meant to be cheaper, delocolized alternatives for the big nuke plants on earth to power remote places or so.
But space applications are also being researched by NASA, and it looks quite interesting to me.

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Spartan95

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Hey guys, interesting stuff, the power generation issue in space I mean. Esp as it not only relates to militarily used satellites, but also to (human) space travel and bases on Moon or Mars even.
I've looked into this slightly out of interest and it seems that the development of mini nuclear reactors is a lot further than I thought. There's multiple companies now that plan to develop small reactors (the size of a big fridge up to some meters) within 5 to 10years. They can develop outputs of some kW up to 20 & later 50MW. These reactors are meant to run completely selfsufficient for 8 up to 30+ yrs.
Primarily, this things are meant to be cheaper, delocolized alternatives for the big nuke plants on earth to power remote places or so.
But space applications are also being researched by NASA, and it looks quite interesting to me.

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Useful links!

I was quite surprised at the development of nuclear power for use in space too. Its further along than I anticipated.

Anyway, came across 2 other useful info:

The US SP-100 program to develop a nuclear reactor for space flight that was terminated in 1995. Not a lot of info on the internet though, so I'm guessing its classified:

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Interestingly, there is a "Safety Framework for Nuclear Power Source Applications in Outer Space" published by the UN Committee on the Peaceful Uses of Outer Space Scientific and Technical Subcommittee and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA):

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1.2 Purpose
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The guidance provided herein reflects an international consensus on measures needed to achieve safety and applies to all space Nuclear Power Sources (NPS) applications without prejudice.
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