Battle of Chosin PBS Documentary

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Janiz

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A battle that should have never been fought. I still don't know what happened in Tokyo when they had all the intelligence reports, air force superiority and maps when they decided they would fight a war in the Manchurian winter. MacArthur probably felt as small as a man can get after this stupid gamble that no other force would pull off ever again in modern history.

Stalingrad at least was a tactical aim. Few hills around a lake, well, those aren't.
 
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Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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Well after routing the North Korean Army, they felt overconfidence as the documentary said
Though Zhou Enlai the then premier repeatedly warn US not to cross the 38th parallel. But one of the general quip "Don't worry boys you are dealing with Chinese laundrymen here"
Well the good thing is they don't repeat the same mistake in Vietnam
For those of you history buff Wiki has one of the best reference of this battle of Chosin reservoir and Shangganling
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September 30 Premier Zhou Enlai issues a warning to the US: The Chinese people will not sit idle if the US forces cross the 38th Parallel.

October 7 Disregarding China's warning, the invading US forces outrageously cross the 38th Parallel.

October 8 The Chinese People's Volunteer Army is formed and is ready to participate the war to resist US aggression and aid Korea. General Peng Dehuai is appointed commander and political commissar of the Volunteer Army.
 
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taxiya

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  1. MacArthur's over-confidence and under-estimating the Chinese is the only reason for this battle to happen in the first place. But then, many generals could not resist the lure after win and win. In the end, the best military leader has to be more of a philosopher than a soldier.
  2. U.S. crossing 38 parallel changed everything for everyone.
  3. Knowing how to win a battle is much easier than knowing when to stop.
 
Hendrik_2000

Hendrik_2000

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No more this awful war So much sacrifice. full feature English subtitle. it is slow at the beginning but the tempo picked up halfway

 
FORBIN

FORBIN

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Jeff Head said:
There was immense hardship and suffering on both sides.

I had an uncle who was at the fight and he used to talk sometimes about it.

Both sides see I from their perspective and there was enough suffering, hardship, and bravery to go around pon both sides.

The US Marines there were vastly outnumbered, but mainly because of their air superiority and all of those other things I just spoke of, they were able to conduct a fighting retreat and keep from being annihilated.

The Chinese showed their own discipline and ability anf willingness to keep advancing under unbelievably harsh conditions, where so many of them were being slaughtered in thise same harsh conditions.

As I say...there was more than enough hardship, suffering, bravery, and amazing feats under -fire to go around on both sides of an incredibly difficult set of circumstances for both sides.
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Each US especialy USMC Rgts elite troops have power equivalent to a Chinese Division, very numerous Army but very poor in material no tanks, few artillery systems etc... and for mobile units have only a Cavalry Rgt, to consider some Army Groups was of better quality.

Chinese as Soviet during WWII " practiced " the human wave.

A very good wargame :cool:
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