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Andy1974

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Navy Lookout is speculating that AUKUS could be the core of a new Indo-Pacific NATO-like alliance.

“Should China continue its rate of military expansion it is possible that it may drive Indo-Pacific nations to form a more committed NATO-like alliance with AUKUS at its heart.”

It goes on to explain that there is almost no spare capacity in the UK nuclear supply chain as well as a lack of skilled staff. They say..

“The UK does have many submarine components and systems that could be exported. In particular the British submarine sonars and the Spearfish torpedo and regarded as better than the US options.”

And finally..

“Geo-politically the new AUKUS defence relationship makes sense on many levels and has potential benefits for the UK, further building on the export success of the Type 26 frigate. While SSNs are the desired apex predator of the seas, it would appear the Australians have committed to an even more costly, lengthy and demanding route to rebuilding their submarine force than before.”
 

Overbom

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Navy Lookout is speculating that AUKUS could be the core of a new Indo-Pacific NATO-like alliance.



It goes on to explain that there is almost no spare capacity in the UK nuclear supply chain as well as a lack of skilled staff. They say..



And finally..
This new "alliance" brings the UK major benefits with little to zero downsides. A no-brainer for the UK to join it.

It's not like that the UK had ever any reputation of being "neutral" so the diplomatic hit is negligible
 

daifo

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First we have TPP, then Five-eyes, then quad, now AUKUS.
>10 to 5 to 4 to 3......
What a trend! I wonder what this mean.....

These pacts are increasingly NON-regiaon/ NON-asian/NON-east asian / NON Pacific but always focusing on east asian affairs (especially taiwan )... I wonder will there will be a east asian pact to protect that sphere from foriegn interventions that might try to disrupt growth and economic growth in east asia.
 
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Maikeru

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Australia is becoming a new nuclear power! This is unacceptable. China should be going crazy everywhere starting from United Nations and demand sanctions! They have to bring this unbelievable development to world's attention. This is no different than North Korea becoming a nuclear force.

The above is publicity side,, on the real actions; China has to turn on the heat, I am serious this act deserves to cut all economic and diplomatic ties if it goes through. Something like this *never* happened since WW2! This is vile act.
Quite apart from the schoolboy error of conflating nuclear power with nuclear weapons, this is exactly the kind of loony-bin post I was afraid of.
 

daifo

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Quite apart from the schoolboy error of conflating nuclear power with nuclear weapons, this is exactly the kind of loony-bin post I was afraid of.

Are nuclear power warship/aircraft prohibited under the proliferation agreements or a grey area?
 

OppositeDay

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Are nuclear power warship/aircraft prohibited under the proliferation agreements or a grey area?

They are an explicitly exempted, which is universally recognised as a loophole as IAEA inspectors do not have access to submarine reactors.
 

foxmulder

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Quite apart from the schoolboy error of conflating nuclear power with nuclear weapons, this is exactly the kind of loony-bin post I was afraid of.
Quite apart from the schoolboy error of conflating nuclear power with nuclear weapons, this is exactly the kind of loony-bin post I was afraid of.

And this is type of Pollyanna post which is trying to placate peace seeking world nations/people. In what word, nuclear powered submarines are considered as "peaceful nuclear activities". BS!
 

Dante80

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China should be going crazy everywhere starting from United Nations and demand sanctions! They have to bring this unbelievable development to world's attention.
How would China proceed with this in the UN? Could you explain your rationale here?
 

nlalyst

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Australia aiming for regional superiority, American deployment of ships and aircraft, logistical and sustainment support for the USN and potentially even hosting intermediate range missiles:
Australia’s defense minister said his country entered a new trilateral agreement with the United States and the United Kingdom because “we needed a nuclear-powered submarine for regional superiority,” adding more American deployments of forces, “aircraft of all types” and providing logistical and sustainment facilities for U.S. Navy ships can be expected in the future.

Peter Dutton, speaking at a joint press conference at the State Department Thursday, said Australia “see increased uncertainty in the Indo-Pacific,” comparing it to the tensions building before World War II.

When asked if Canberra and Washington’s space cooperation and sharing advances in artificial intelligence and cyber meant that Australia would also accept intermediate-range missiles, Dutton said, “I do have an aspiration.”
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