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[OTCDebunker]

This is just a shot in the dark probably, but is there anywhere where I can find out what would be blue-collar workers/jobs that would be able to help me immigrate to China in the future?

I've made the decision to pursue blue-collar after realizing that white-collar will likely not be as fruitful believe it-or-not and was likely a personality mismatch all along.

But what blue collar tradesman would China need the most in the new few decades?

Also, I am not a 'normal' immigrant per se. Technically, I could just pull out an old Chinese passport and pretend like I never got American citizenship. I am not going to do that because other than the obvious problems with lying and dishonesty here I suspect it wouldn't work anyways and my original government would know full well that citizenship changed a while back.

I have a list of trades and unions that I believe to be the best both for me here and for international travel, retirement, or worker immigration...but I would rather not list them here because I know that this would definitely derail the conversation right from the get-go and put a bias and may not necessarily be fully covering the bigger picture.

Apologies if this is the wrong thread, but I'm just not sure if this fits anywhere else.

Oh and just so we get the elephant in the room out of the way.

Yes, I am doing this in huge part because I fully believe that war between Murikkka and China is inevitable and that when that happens the Murikkkunt government will do God knows what to Chinese here.

Do I really think Chinese concentration camps will setup and I'll be gruesomely tortured to death and my body mutiliated for the worms and maggots dropped in some Godforsaken hole in a garbage dump site somewhere? Maybe not so dramatically...or maybe I'm wrong. Who knows.

But I wholeheartedly believe that both the MURICAN government and the MURICUNT people will do stuff like seize my financial assets whether they are liquid assets or not, monitor the fuck out of me, employment will become difficult and easy to get fired unless I pretend to be Taiwanese or possibly even pretending to be a different Asian ethnicity altogether.

Maybe I'm being too paranoid. I hope I am. Maybe I have too little faith in humanity. I hope that's the case. And maybe the west has truly gotten past the need to concentration camps. I hope I'm wrong about my more negative predictions.

But I have to take the steps right now to protect myself so that in case of a worst case scenario I don't get screwed completely.

So what would be good blue collar trades that China needs?

 

[tygyg1111]

This is just a shot in the dark probably, but is there anywhere where I can find out what would be blue-collar workers/jobs that would be able to help me immigrate to China in the future?

I've made the decision to pursue blue-collar after realizing that white-collar will likely not be as fruitful believe it-or-not and was likely a personality mismatch all along.

But what blue collar tradesman would China need the most in the new few decades?

Also, I am not a 'normal' immigrant per se. Technically, I could just pull out an old Chinese passport and pretend like I never got American citizenship. I am not going to do that because other than the obvious problems with lying and dishonesty here I suspect it wouldn't work anyways and my original government would know full well that citizenship changed a while back.

I have a list of trades and unions that I believe to be the best both for me here and for international travel, retirement, or worker immigration...but I would rather not list them here because I know that this would definitely derail the conversation right from the get-go and put a bias and may not necessarily be fully covering the bigger picture.

Apologies if this is the wrong thread, but I'm just not sure if this fits anywhere else.

Oh and just so we get the elephant in the room out of the way.

Yes, I am doing this in huge part because I fully believe that war between Murikkka and China is inevitable and that when that happens the Murikkkunt government will do God knows what to Chinese here.

Do I really think Chinese concentration camps will setup and I'll be gruesomely tortured to death and my body mutiliated for the worms and maggots dropped in some Godforsaken hole in a garbage dump site somewhere? Maybe not so dramatically...or maybe I'm wrong. Who knows.

But I wholeheartedly believe that both the MURICAN government and the MURICUNT people will do stuff like seize my financial assets whether they are liquid assets or not, monitor the fuck out of me, employment will become difficult and easy to get fired unless I pretend to be Taiwanese or possibly even pretending to be a different Asian ethnicity altogether.

Maybe I'm being too paranoid. I hope I am. Maybe I have too little faith in humanity. I hope that's the case. And maybe the west has truly gotten past the need to concentration camps. I hope I'm wrong about my more negative predictions.

But I have to take the steps right now to protect myself so that in case of a worst case scenario I don't get screwed completely.

So what would be good blue collar trades that China needs?

Tbh, you would be better off going to Australia / NZ if you want to pursue a blue collar trade.

"Blue collar" type work in China pays much, much less, and dont even think about a blue collar lifestyle in a big higher tier city.

There are far too many candidates for that kind of work, plus your hours will be long and hard.

Another factor is language, if you arent fluent it will be very tough to even get a glance, unless you have relatives that work in / own the company.

 

[OTCDebunker]

Tbh, you would be better off going to Australia / NZ if you want to pursue a blue collar trade.

"Blue collar" type work in China pays much, much less, and dont even think about a blue collar lifestyle in a big higher tier city.

There are far too many candidates for that kind of work, plus your hours will be long and hard.

Another factor is language, if you arent fluent it will be very tough to even get a glance, unless you have relatives that work in / own the company.

That works out perfectly!

Believe it or not I had actually considered Australia first but decided against it because we all know that Australia will also become very anti-Chinese and Sinophobic once the war actually breaks out. Besides, it's not like they aren't going to join in the fight too on behalf of their American puppetmasters.

Truth be told, Australia is actually far more preferred for me because my favorite hobby is scuba diving, and the Coral Triangle is legit right next to Australia so it would be a dream come true pretty much.

Besides, for some weird, odd, and unexplainable reason...Australia just has a FUCK TON of really hot chicks. Lol don't mind.

So I guess then same question, what is Australia looking mostly for?

 

[MrGoose]

That works out perfectly!

Believe it or not I had actually considered Australia first but decided against it because we all know that Australia will also become very anti-Chinese and Sinophobic once the war actually breaks out. Besides, it's not like they aren't going to join in the fight too on behalf of their American puppetmasters.

Truth be told, Australia is actually far more preferred for me because my favorite hobby is scuba diving, and the Coral Triangle is legit right next to Australia so it would be a dream come true pretty much.

Besides, for some weird, odd, and unexplainable reason...Australia just has a FUCK TON of really hot chicks. Lol don't mind.

So I guess then same question, what is Australia looking mostly for?

Don't make important life decision based on what might happen when a yet-to-occur-and-not-guaranteed-to-occur war will break out

 

[BMUFL]

BLUF: You are not thinking this all the way through, and should at least finish post-secondary education first regardless of your intention.

Okay, before anything, one should understand that immigration is not some whimsical thing. One should also understand that they are literally uprooting their entire life, cutting off most, if not all, of their support networks, and move somewhere else as a stranger in a foreign land, where they will have next to no support whatsoever (as many BNOers found out the hard way, mind you). This is not, or at least it should not be, an easy decision to make.

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Believe it or not I had actually considered Australia first but decided against it because we all know that Australia will also become very anti-Chinese and Sinophobic once the war actually breaks out. Besides, it's not like they aren't going to join in the fight too on behalf of their American puppetmasters.

Look, if hostility breaks out, nationalism will skyrocket, and people with mixed identities will be seen as suspicious no matter where they are. Bold of you to presume that the Stasi Ministry of State Security of China is not keeping an extra eyes on people like you, especially in a hostility as your hypothetical suggests.

Also, keep in mind that 'neutral' places usually have their own issues such that one should probably not move there as a first resort (e.g. LatAm countries).

Truth be told, Australia is actually far more preferred for me because my favorite hobby is scuba diving, and the Coral Triangle is legit right next to Australia so it would be a dream come true pretty much.

This is probably not a legitimate reason to immigrate unless you are already loaded and have no concern about daily living expenese without a job.

That sort of hobby is probably not one can sustain on a blue-collar wage, especially when they are rebuilding their assets from the ground up when they are much older.

Besides, for some weird, odd, and unexplainable reason...Australia just has a FUCK TON of really hot chicks. Lol don't mind.

This is also not a legitimate reason unless you are a creepy old sexpat or something. It is also one helluva leap of faith that someone will fancy your (presumably) yellow a** in, if your hypothetical plays out, an hostility against the very same group of people, where the dehumanising propaganda will be on full blast.

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Look, it is pretty clear that you did not think this all the way through. It also sounds like you have not completed post-secondary education of any sort.
This is going to hold you back no matter where you want to move.

People have either moved, or have seriously considered moving, over political reasons. For example, Americans say they are moving to Canada because a Republican is going to be the president, or a Democrat is going to be the president, or Yellows in Hong Kong yearning for UK because SeeSeePee or something. In most cases, nothing happens because of economic reality, such as not enough money to actually move, or no jobs available, or simply because the destination country denied the application because reasons. And for those who actually made the move, they found out that the grass is not always greener on the other side.

No country is interested in importing a bunch of people who will compete with the existing local labours and be a drain on the social welfare system... usually. Most countries are also not very keen on accepting immigrants; Canada, despite popular misconception, is actually not that open, never mind China, a place that is definitely not known for immigration. China, as far as I understand, is looking for people who made significant contributions to STEM, which a random blue-collar worker is probably not good enough. Also, evershifting labour market means that the demand for a certain trade in destination country that you apprenticed for in hope of appealing to that demand may no longer exist by the time you finished your apprenticeship, so please also be cognizant of that.

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My advice, and the tl;dr is: opting for blue-collar trade instead of white-collar degree is perfectly fine, just be aware that it is less fungible and transferable for immigration purposes. Not all is lost, however. Up here in the frozen wasteland of Hoth, there is this 'Red Seal' endorsement that tradespeople can get to let them practice their trades in all provinces instead of being limited to one. And apparently it has some limited international recognition as well. See if there is something equivalent in the States. And then pick a trade that you like (or at least one that you don't actively detest), and learn everything you possibly can in school and on the job.

And if/when The War comes, one can always play Jewish refugees in WWII and make aliyah with Chinese characteristics. Who knows, maybe your trade would come in handy in that situation.

 

[OTCDebunker]

BLUF: You are not thinking this all the way through, and should at least finish post-secondary education first regardless of your intention.

Okay, before anything, one should understand that immigration is not some whimsical thing. One should also understand that they are literally uprooting their entire life, cutting off most, if not all, of their support networks, and move somewhere else as a stranger in a foreign land, where they will have next to no support whatsoever (as many BNOers found out the hard way, mind you). This is not, or at least it should not be, an easy decision to make.

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Look, if hostility breaks out, nationalism will skyrocket, and people with mixed identities will be seen as suspicious no matter where they are. Bold of you to presume that the Stasi Ministry of State Security of China is not keeping an extra eyes on people like you, especially in a hostility as your hypothetical suggests.

Also, keep in mind that 'neutral' places usually have their own issues such that one should probably not move there as a first resort (e.g. LatAm countries).

This is probably not a legitimate reason to immigrate unless you are already loaded and have no concern about daily living expenese without a job.

That sort of hobby is probably not one can sustain on a blue-collar wage, especially when they are rebuilding their assets from the ground up when they are much older.

This is also not a legitimate reason unless you are a creepy old sexpat or something. It is also one helluva leap of faith that someone will fancy your (presumably) yellow a** in, if your hypothetical plays out, an hostility against the very same group of people, where the dehumanising propaganda will be on full blast.

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Look, it is pretty clear that you did not think this all the way through. It also sounds like you have not completed post-secondary education of any sort.
This is going to hold you back no matter where you want to move.

People have either moved, or have seriously considered moving, over political reasons. For example, Americans say they are moving to Canada because a Republican is going to be the president, or a Democrat is going to be the president, or Yellows in Hong Kong yearning for UK because SeeSeePee or something. In most cases, nothing happens because of economic reality, such as not enough money to actually move, or no jobs available, or simply because the destination country denied the application because reasons. And for those who actually made the move, they found out that the grass is not always greener on the other side.

No country is interested in importing a bunch of people who will compete with the existing local labours and be a drain on the social welfare system... usually. Most countries are also not very keen on accepting immigrants; Canada, despite popular misconception, is actually not that open, never mind China, a place that is definitely not known for immigration. China, as far as I understand, is looking for people who made significant contributions to STEM, which a random blue-collar worker is probably not good enough. Also, evershifting labour market means that the demand for a certain trade in destination country that you apprenticed for in hope of appealing to that demand may no longer exist by the time you finished your apprenticeship, so please also be cognizant of that.

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My advice, and the tl;dr is: opting for blue-collar trade instead of white-collar degree is perfectly fine, just be aware that it is less fungible and transferable for immigration purposes. Not all is lost, however. Up here in the frozen wasteland of Hoth, there is this 'Red Seal' endorsement that tradespeople can get to let them practice their trades in all provinces instead of being limited to one. And apparently it has some limited international recognition as well. See if there is something equivalent in the States. And then pick a trade that you like (or at least one that you don't actively detest), and learn everything you possibly can in school and on the job.

And if/when The War comes, one can always play Jewish refugees in WWII and make aliyah with Chinese characteristics. Who knows, maybe your trade would come in handy in that situation.

You are wrong on many accounts here, but first for starters I have that oh so special post-secondary education you seem to think is so important here.

Also, you seem to have completely misunderstood the timeline here.

I could've sworn that I mentioned earlier that this was a plan for some decades in the future. Well after establishing my career, my industry reputation, my qualifications, etc. and thus be of such high value in my profession that it would be almost like companies trying to recruit you...not the other way around.

You also mention Canada, and that Red Seal program is one of the things that made me decide against Canada. Which BTW, is a country I did consider too. But eliminated for a multitude and plethora of far too many reasons to list.

And I know for a fact that I already mentioned that I would technically be reactivitating a Chinese citizenship I already had in the first place. So there was no point in you mentioning that China is not accepting of outsiders.

You also said that it's obvious that I didn't think this through. What's obvious is that you didn't understand much of what was said. Or just didn't read it.

I've been looking into various immigration requirements as well as worker shortages or calls for what kind of professions that certain countries need. Believe it or not but Australia actually is very happy to try and get blue collar people or what they call "tradies" over. Arguably even more so than doctors!

Apparently, Construction Managers is basically their number one need. Then others such as Electricians and the piping trades are heavily in demand too. A lot of others, but I don't care to link the list I found.

I'm well aware that the demand could very well change, but you are apparently not aware that just because you become a journeyman doesn't mean you stop progressing. You gain new certifications and then work on new projects that use that newfound knowledge. Climb higher in your career. etc. Basically, you do the same thing in the blue-collar world as you do in the white-collar world. You keep ranking up/leveling up to the point that you are a highly in-demand person or at least have skillsets for which many numerous employers in many numerous countries would pay to have.

Oh and just FYI, one of my scuba instructors was literally a blue collar tradesman. A painter of all things. Something that's actually more complex and far more skilled than many would think, but yet also arguably one of the lowest skilled or least complex of the trades. Right next to laborers. Unless it's one of those laborer locals who are just raiding everyone else's trades. So being blue collar can certainly allow you to dive. You just don't do it every weekend or as much as you would like 'cheaper' hobbies such as gaming or going to workout at the gym or something like that.

While we're also on this subject of diving let's go over that part you mentioned about LatAm. There are plenty of people who are immigrating or at least doing that working remotely and living in LatAm. Sure I can't obviously do that as a blue collar worker, but the point is that if there's plenty of people living long term in LatAm countries then it's really not nearly as dystopian or shitty of a place as you are implying it to be. It's especially pretty appealing to me because, again, LatAm has pretty solid places for diving.

Australia and LatAm are all places that I am considering retiring to even if our world completely changes course and things start becoming much better for the global economy and overall world harmony.

I, frankly, hate living in America and I'm only here because the wages I could make here would still be more even after taxes/costs are done with. Truth be told even if America and China were best friends I still don't want to be here. Even if I were whitey-McWestern American I still don't like it here.

I don't enjoy almost all of the things Muricans and Murican culture is all about. Football? Sports? Celebrity worship? Woke liberal brain rot or conservative rightwing ultranationalistic, a.k.a. racism? There's tons, tons, tons and fuckloads more reasons why I wouldn't like America no matter what I look like. So don't make the mistake of thinking that you can just counter the scant few reasons I listed here as why I wouldn't fit in America no matter what. There's more.

But in all honesty...kwhat's even your point?

that I should just give up completely and not bother trying to see what my options are for leaving the country?

Sorry but that is not what I asked.

I asked for what would be a good blue collar career that would make me attractive to China, and barring China then Australia.

If you don't know the answer then just say so...or simply don't respond.

 

[Heliox]

No country is interested in importing a bunch of people who will compete with the existing local labours and be a drain on the social welfare system... usually. Most countries are also not very keen on accepting immigrants; Canada, despite popular misconception, is actually not that open, never mind China, a place that is definitely not known for immigration. China, as far as I understand, is looking for people who made significant contributions to STEM, which a random blue-collar worker is probably not good enough. Also, evershifting labour market means that the demand for a certain trade in destination country that you apprenticed for in hope of appealing to that demand may no longer exist by the time you finished your apprenticeship, so please also be cognizant of that.

---

My advice, and the tl;dr is: opting for blue-collar trade instead of white-collar degree is perfectly fine, just be aware that it is less fungible and transferable for immigration purposes. Not all is lost, however. Up here in the frozen wasteland of Hoth, there is this 'Red Seal' endorsement that tradespeople can get to let them practice their trades in all provinces instead of being limited to one. And apparently it has some limited international recognition as well. See if there is something equivalent in the States. And then pick a trade that you like (or at least one that you don't actively detest), and learn everything you possibly can in school and on the job.

Not true. At one point Australia had a dire shortage of tradespeople and did open their doors to such blue-collar workers - yellow skin included. I have one such (distant) relative (machinist) who migrated to Australia despite speaking barely passable English at that time.

To this day, a combination of shortage in certain trades plus minimum wages mean that a 6-figure annual income is very possible for blue-collar work in Australia. Just that the immigration criteria have become more stringent.

This is probably not a legitimate reason to immigrate unless you are already loaded and have no concern about daily living expenese without a job.

That sort of hobby is probably not one can sustain on a blue-collar wage, especially when they are rebuilding their assets from the ground up when they are much older.

Please don't talk about things you know nothing about?

As mentioned, 2/3 of the worlds top-10 diving destinations are within SEA/Polynesia.

Students working on minimum wages at Pizza Hut can earn enough to avail themselves of LCC flights to what is essentially still a 3rd world backyard with 3rd world pricing. Why can't a reasonably successful tradesperson pulling in six-figures a year?

Not everyone is caught up in a rat-race to build assets and a legacy. I do know of people who have/are adopting a spend-it-all, leave-nothing-behind mindset. Rightly or wrongly, it's their money, it's their life.

Australia actually should suit @OTCDebunker just fine. There's very little hangups there about owning assets. Just that he'll be very disappointed about the attractiveness of the average Sheila.

 

[OTCDebunker]

Not true. At one point Australia had a dire shortage of tradespeople and did open their doors to such blue-collar workers - yellow skin included. I have one such (distant) relative (machinist) who migrated to Australia despite speaking barely passable English at that time.

To this day, a combination of shortage in certain trades plus minimum wages mean that a 6-figure annual income is very possible for blue-collar work in Australia. Just that the immigration criteria have become more stringent.



Please don't talk about things you know nothing about?

As mentioned, 2/3 of the worlds top-10 diving destinations are within SEA/Polynesia.

Students working on minimum wages at Pizza Hut can earn enough to avail themselves of LCC flights to what is essentially still a 3rd world backyard with 3rd world pricing. Why can't a reasonably successful tradesperson pulling in six-figures a year?

Not everyone is caught up in a rat-race to build assets and a legacy. I do know of people who have/are adopting a spend-it-all, leave-nothing-behind mindset. Rightly or wrongly, it's their money, it's their life.

Australia actually should suit @OTCDebunker just fine. There's very little hangups there about owning assets. Just that he'll be very disappointed about the attractiveness of the average Sheila.

That part about the trades wages and tradespeople being able to make decent wages also aligns with what I've gleamed so far from reading.

Granted it looks like Australia is not just handing out visas and what not like candy on halloween. Rarely will the stars ever align to be so lucky for anyone in this world. So that's not something to fret over or lose your rationality.

What are some of the tradesworkers Australia needs or likely will need in the years to come? What are the current trends or forecasts as far as construction or manufacturing goes for Australia. For that matter I just realized that I don't really know much about the blue collar world in Australia overall.

I heard that there's a decent amount of offshore oil drilling, but not as much as as Gulf of Mexico and there's not really all that much oil drilling on Australia dryland either, but there is a good amount of agriculture. But as far as industrialization of the economy there...yaaaaaaa I'm not going to pretend like I have the first clue here.

 

[tygyg1111]

That part about the trades wages and tradespeople being able to make decent wages also aligns with what I've gleamed so far from reading.

Granted it looks like Australia is not just handing out visas and what not like candy on halloween. Rarely will the stars ever align to be so lucky for anyone in this world. So that's not something to fret over or lose your rationality.

What are some of the tradesworkers Australia needs or likely will need in the years to come? What are the current trends or forecasts as far as construction or manufacturing goes for Australia. For that matter I just realized that I don't really know much about the blue collar world in Australia overall.

I heard that there's a decent amount of offshore oil drilling, but not as much as as Gulf of Mexico and there's not really all that much oil drilling on Australia dryland either, but there is a good amount of agriculture. But as far as industrialization of the economy there...yaaaaaaa I'm not going to pretend like I have the first clue here.

Plumbers, electricians make a fair bit of money, provided it is your own PTY LTD company. An employee makes minimum / award wage, which is still decent but nowhere near 'comfortable' (my definition of comfortable is you can live a regular life without worrying about running out of money).
With this type of trade, as a sole trader / small company type of setup, as long as you have your trade certificates and insurances sorted out you have your foot in the industry, and the rest is up to you.

Oil & gas is harder to get into, as you'll need to apply to become an employee of one of the multinationals that carry out that sort of work. You will most likely live on site for long periods, and won't have the type of "if a job is too hard I can walk away from it" freedom that regular tradies can (albeit with some reputational damage).

Like the other posters said, do your research first, and make your move only when you're absolutely sure this is what you want.
Also, if you are expecting supermodels left right and center, you will be deeply and greatly disappointed.

 

[GZDRefugee]

Mind posting the breakdown? Also, are you reporting your gas usage or are you letting Enbridge
pulling numbers out of their a*s estimate your usage?

Got Enbridge to come and replace the meter. We'll see for this month.