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Tam

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Why don't we at SDF ever talk about the PLAAF's mines?

Mines have been utilized effectively throughout the history of modern naval warfare. Mining areas near Taiwan, the South China Sea, or Okinawa could be a very effective A2/AD tool in warfare (in my opinion). It could be a great way to counter the existing superiority of the American navy.

Is there substantial development of PLAAF mines going on? Do we not discuss it because it's impossible to see that secret development? Or is it because mines aren't as sexy as aircraft carriers?
No one talks about mines, whether its the USN, the Soviet or Russian Navy, European Navy, or whatever. Because it isn't a sexy topic. Doesn't mean there isn't development on this field.
 

Hadoren

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Mines are a relatively neglected area at SDF, likely due to a relatively lack of current information and mindshare compared to the breakneck development of more visible platforms. I recall mine warfare being talked about as a means of area denial some 15-20 years ago. Back in 2009, Andrew Erickson wrote a report for the Naval War College on China's mine warfare, probably the most definitive English-language source on the topic.
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From what I gathered over the years – admittedly I wasn't looking very hard – is that PLAN has quite an extensive mine warfare program. The PLAN has dedicated minelayers, and most – if not all – of its submarines can lay mines. With minor modifications, the civilian fishing fleet can also be pressed into laying mines. On the flip side of the coin, the PLAN also operates one of the largest – if not the largest – minesweeper fleets in the world.

The Chinese strategy for mine warfare is geared toward area denial, namely to obstruct critical sea lanes and deny potential adversaries freedom of movement. If I recall correctly, mine warfare is envisioned as a critical component of a potential blockade of Taiwan. I'd imagine mines can also prove useful in other areas of potential disputes. I won't go into them for fear of attracting fanboys and derailing the thread.

China also possesses a large variety of mines that includes both dumb and smart ones, including self-navigating and remotely controlled types. I have no information on the number and composition of the mine inventory or specifications and model designations. Again, I haven't been looking hard.

There are several threads related to mine warfare here, so you might want to take a look there for more information. Maybe it's time to aggregate them into a unified Chinese mine warfare thread and keep it updated.
Thank you for that response! Yes, I believe that mines are probably SDF's least covered A2/AD component that has substantial importance.

It's obviously very hard to find information about them. But in a war, I think that the PLAAF's mining program would be just as important as (or even more important than), say, the Type 055 destroyer.
 

Nill

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What is current state of the PLANMC? I heard they were intending to get numbers up to i think it was 100000 but i have not heard much about it.
 

banjex

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What are the odds China returns to last year's breakneck pace of 052D and 055 construction?
 

Tam

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What are the odds China returns to last year's breakneck pace of 052D and 055 construction?
If you want my opinion, I will say high. On top of that, expect to produce new batches of both 054A and 054B frigates simultaneously like there is no tomorrow.
 

Tetrach

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People are generally expecting to see the PLAN becoming a USN like navy,and idea renforced with those "Aegis warships" and carriers that are getting out of shipyards. But at the same time I'm perplexe because the PLAN is still based on the flottilla formula (a formula from the soviet era). Ships are still reserved to certain areas and and work in special formations depending on the need. It's different from the Carrier Strike group where the fleet is mobilised around carriers, and moves all around the world.

Do you think China will ever do the transition from flottilla to CSG ?
 

banjex

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^Well the USN has surface action groups consisting of a few DDG/CG does it not? A "flotilla," if you will. I think the two concepts are not mutually exclusive.
 

halflife3

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What is the range of the Shandong carrier? Will the Type 003 carrier also be powered by diesel? Are there pros and cons to having diesel as ship fuel?
 

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