Imagine if China actually do care about dangerous frontier AI being available in other countries, and Beijing allows K3 because they know K3 (knowledge cutoff early 2026) isn't actually the most advanced models in China.
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More than these models, I think China fear a world of haves and haves not. Where a group tech feudal lords in Silicon Valley controls who can get access AI technology and who doesn't and If AI live the hype that means extreme inequality worldwide.
And they lived that scenario themselves, the US tech war against China was a US elite war to gatekeep China from accessing AI tech.
Also undermine the US companies monopoly on AI.
So there is probably more specific trained advanced models in China, that the public will never have access.
I mean, if you just take one step back and think about it, without prior expectations its should actually be quite implausible that Chinese labs publish their latest techniques or open-weight their latest models on day one.
Beijing also isn't exactly known for being laissez faire when it comes to security.
IMO the real "security" issue with frontier models is probably detection of deliberate vulnerabilities and backdoors rather than creation, US fears frontier models for the same reason they fear Huawei: it makes it much harder to spy on everyone through vulnerabilities, which also means it's in China's interest to make it as widely available as possible
Most public AI models are generalists, so my guess is that they have models as smart or even smarter than Kimi K3 but heavily trained for military and cybersecurity applications.
But given the US paranoia about Chinese tech they could release those ones too, I have my doubts that the stooges will run ANY Chinese AI models in their networks.
I'm definitely seeing some rankings where K3 is finishing even ahead of Fable. I'm not saying it is better and it probably isn't, but it's still a big deal for K3 to be this competitive.
I'm putting it through a whole host of research topic right now
More or less equal. So 6 months behind is officially 2-3 months behind. Officially.
K3 is a 2.9T parameters sparse model that cost $15 per 1M output token or far less on subscription.
Fable is a 6T parameter (or 10T depending on how you count) dense model that cost $50 per 1M output tokens and can only be accessed via API.
You have to completely ignore Anthropic being an order of magnitude behind in the singular most important metric in performance to say Kimi is 2-3 month behind. The better question is how long will it take for Anthropic to make make a Fable that's actually usable in term of cost and efficiency.
K3 basically just destroyed the last bastion of American AI where they try to charge 100x for marginal capability delta, now they have to try charge 100x for no capability delta, or for regular users, for all practical purposes, 10x for an inferior product in Opus.
To put it another way, I can right now on Kimi subscription go to down and use K3 for everything without a single thought on token usage, if you do that with Fable you'd go broke in an instant. The real metric is, between two companies both with $100 budget, how much can each build if one use Fable and one uses K3. It's not even a competition.
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lol I don’t think so. People should stop imagining things . Since there has been zero reason to think the CCP keeps an imaginary advanced AI model for themselves . lol
I believe Chinese companies are just competing to have the best models out there. Simple as that. Maybe down the line some will start doing abit more closed source as they get more and more ahead. Qwen for example has already started making some of her lost advanced models closed source for her entreprise customers
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China doesn't even let its top supercomputers enter Top500 ranking, operating classified top tier system is literally the standard MO for literally everything else China does when it comes anything security related.
China won't even allow export of solar manufacturing tech, and China is notorious for being extremely restrictive when it comes to advanced weapons exports, what makes you think China would actually not only export but give out for free the most advanced cybersecurity tool on day 1?
But I do understand the idea that after all this time America isn't even competing with China's best would be extremely demoralizing for Americans, so there's naturally a lot of incentive to choose to believe Chinese labs are just casually dropping SOTA models open-weight, with papers published detailing how they did it, within weeks of every American release purely by coincidence for the love of the game.
I mean, you do realize Opus 4.8 is only 6 weeks old, and GPT5.6 is only 1 week old lol
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