Equation
Lieutenant General
LOL...and a proud city slicker! So, once you get to school and your feet is no longer cold, you still have to wash off the cow patties because of the smell (the young ladies at school won't dig it).
Animals..friend or food? Perhaps both!
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LOL...and a proud city slicker! So, once you get to school and your feet is no longer cold, you still have to wash off the cow patties because of the smell (the young ladies at school won't dig it).
Schumacher
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A piece of good news for Lunar New Year ！ Another dog rescue in China。
Disappointing to see the discussions here and most other places have missed the crux of the issue. It's the mistreatment of the animals, dogs, goats, cows or pigs etc. Not which can be eaten or not per se.
Simple and inexpensive technologies exist to reduce to minimum the suffering of animals to be slaugthered.
Whether you eat dog meat or pork or whatever, if you're not disgusted by the way the dogs are transported in the story, then you're inhumane, plain and simple.
BEIJING - More than 1,100 dogs saved from going to the slaughterhouse several days ago in Chongqing, Southwest China, still lack permanent places to settle down, local animal activists said.
The dogs, which have sufficient food and water, are being kept in cages at a nearly 1,000-sq-m unused workshop in the city suburbs.
Chen Mingcai, head of the Chongqing Small Animal Protection Association, told China Daily on Thursday that an animal lover provided the warehouse for free.
With the help of local police, 1,137 dogs were saved on Monday from a truck by a courageous blogger, a 40-year-old volunteer of the association surnamed Peng, and had first been kept at an abandoned pig farm in the city.
All the dogs were scheduled to go to the slaughterhouse for dinner tables.
"Dogs could not be taken good care of in the remote pig farm due to its limited space and insufficient food and water supply. So we moved them to the current building on Wednesday," Chen said.
The rescue has attracted great attention in the city in the past few days and hundreds of pet lovers and animal activists have offered help to the association, local media reported.
Thanks to donations by pet lovers, dog food is sufficient for the next 20 to 30 days, he said.
"Now we urgently need more professional volunteers to come and take care of the dogs as many people are going home as the Chinese New Year is approaching," the volunteer surnamed Peng said.
By Thursday afternoon, 16 dogs had died from severe injury or distemper. Another 30 seriously ill dogs were sent to a nearby hospital for further treatment, statistics from the association showed.
"The association plans to rent another building to put other sick dogs under quarantine in the next few days to ensure most dogs can survive," Chen said.
But finding a suitable place for the more than 1,000 dogs to live permanently seems an unattainable task for the association, he said.
Chen estimated that about 20 percent of the dogs will be adopted by local pet lovers since there are excellent dog varieties, such as husky and chow.
"For the rest of about 800 dogs, at least a 1.3-hectare area with dog houses is needed for them to have comfortable lives. Now I am thinking about calling for more social donations to build dog houses," he said.
Animal rights professionals said such cases involving shipping hundreds of terrified dogs and cats for dinner tables is common in the country due to a lack of legal animal protection.
In a recent case, two animal protection organizations paid about 83,000 yuan ($13,000) to a dog trader in Zigong, a city in Sichuan province, to rescue nearly 800 dogs that were to be delivered to restaurants in the Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region in October.
Since October, dogs and cats must be sent to quarantine before being shipped, according to a regulation issued by the Ministry of Agriculture.
The regulation was seen as an effective way to protect such animals since eating animals that have been vaccinated may harm people's health.
"But as the country lacks regulation on the slaughter of cats and dogs, dealers will not be punished when they ship dead or sick animals for dinner tables. Therefore, such cruel business cannot be easily banned in the near future," said Cai Chunhong, a Beijing lawyer who focuses on animal protection.
China Daily
Disappointing to see the discussions here and most other places have missed the crux of the issue. It's the mistreatment of the animals, dogs, goats, cows or pigs etc. Not which can be eaten or not per se.
Simple and inexpensive technologies exist to reduce to minimum the suffering of animals to be slaugthered.
Whether you eat dog meat or pork or whatever, if you're not disgusted by the way the dogs are transported in the story, then you're inhumane, plain and simple.
BEIJING - More than 1,100 dogs saved from going to the slaughterhouse several days ago in Chongqing, Southwest China, still lack permanent places to settle down, local animal activists said.
The dogs, which have sufficient food and water, are being kept in cages at a nearly 1,000-sq-m unused workshop in the city suburbs.
Chen Mingcai, head of the Chongqing Small Animal Protection Association, told China Daily on Thursday that an animal lover provided the warehouse for free.
With the help of local police, 1,137 dogs were saved on Monday from a truck by a courageous blogger, a 40-year-old volunteer of the association surnamed Peng, and had first been kept at an abandoned pig farm in the city.
All the dogs were scheduled to go to the slaughterhouse for dinner tables.
"Dogs could not be taken good care of in the remote pig farm due to its limited space and insufficient food and water supply. So we moved them to the current building on Wednesday," Chen said.
The rescue has attracted great attention in the city in the past few days and hundreds of pet lovers and animal activists have offered help to the association, local media reported.
Thanks to donations by pet lovers, dog food is sufficient for the next 20 to 30 days, he said.
"Now we urgently need more professional volunteers to come and take care of the dogs as many people are going home as the Chinese New Year is approaching," the volunteer surnamed Peng said.
By Thursday afternoon, 16 dogs had died from severe injury or distemper. Another 30 seriously ill dogs were sent to a nearby hospital for further treatment, statistics from the association showed.
"The association plans to rent another building to put other sick dogs under quarantine in the next few days to ensure most dogs can survive," Chen said.
But finding a suitable place for the more than 1,000 dogs to live permanently seems an unattainable task for the association, he said.
Chen estimated that about 20 percent of the dogs will be adopted by local pet lovers since there are excellent dog varieties, such as husky and chow.
"For the rest of about 800 dogs, at least a 1.3-hectare area with dog houses is needed for them to have comfortable lives. Now I am thinking about calling for more social donations to build dog houses," he said.
Animal rights professionals said such cases involving shipping hundreds of terrified dogs and cats for dinner tables is common in the country due to a lack of legal animal protection.
In a recent case, two animal protection organizations paid about 83,000 yuan ($13,000) to a dog trader in Zigong, a city in Sichuan province, to rescue nearly 800 dogs that were to be delivered to restaurants in the Guangxi Zhuang autonomous region in October.
Since October, dogs and cats must be sent to quarantine before being shipped, according to a regulation issued by the Ministry of Agriculture.
The regulation was seen as an effective way to protect such animals since eating animals that have been vaccinated may harm people's health.
"But as the country lacks regulation on the slaughter of cats and dogs, dealers will not be punished when they ship dead or sick animals for dinner tables. Therefore, such cruel business cannot be easily banned in the near future," said Cai Chunhong, a Beijing lawyer who focuses on animal protection.
China Daily
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
It depends on how you look at it? If meat is murder then there's no such thing as a more humane murder. Those previous pictures are no different from any place or business where animals are killed for food. Who's worse? Someone who is inhuman or someone that is inhuman that vilifies people for being inhuman? Ever hear the road to hell is paved with good intentions? The ultimate inhumanity is arguing that there's a difference between a murder and a humane murder which is apparently not criminal.
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Schumacher
Senior Member
What ? You mean there's no 'difference' in how an animal is caged or killed even if they are caged and killed 'differently' ?
I'll try to use a simple example to try to explain something which is not very hard at all to understand.
Imagine if you're a prisoner on death row. You can be cramped into a cage with many other prisoners where you can't even move or you can have large prison cell all to yourself.
You can be executed by a thousand cuts or one quick lethal injection.
So you mean you don't care how you're treated because death is death and there's no difference ?
Somehow, I'm pretty sure which you will choose despite claiming there's no 'difference'.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I can use that logic of yours. If a criminal kills an innocent "humanely," does it make it less of a crime or even not a crime at all? I've always pointed to the hypocrisy of those that accuse by their words not mine. And you actually believe conditions in China are any different than from a developed country? Like I mentioned before, PETA has a video of the number one slaughter house in the US where they're slicing up steer into pieces while they're still alive. Wouldn't that be executed by a thousand cuts? Yet they're only using China because like I said before if animal rights activists actually tried to clean up their own backyard first which would show they had integrity instead of hypocrisy, they wouldn't get as much support. It's like George Clooney. He was hated by Republicans because he's an activist that criticized US policy. Now you have Republicans praising him for his work in Darfur because it doesn't criticize the US. And you don't see George Clooney taking up causes that criticize US policy anymore. Which is also why the Congo situtation, which some say is worse than Darfur, doesn't come close to getting that attention. And some say the same with Rwanda. Same logic going on here. So it's all a bunch of bull because if only one side is vilified and the other is not then it's all disingenuous. So if you go by the animals rights mantra that meat is murder, then there's no difference and only shows who is inhumane by thinking that there's a difference. I find that monstrous.
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I think the most important thing is to neuter all of them first.
Schumacher
Senior Member
Well, I certainly don't advocate animal welfare laws in China just because the US or Clooney say so, who you rightfully say have dismal animal and human rights records, US I mean, not Clooney.
I also hope China won't reject something just because it seems to be something the West advocates.
The good news is, all the dog rescuers in the story are Chinese and the story was reported in China Daily. No PETA or CIA in sight.
I'm also glad that Chinese media like China Daily is reporting this with what seems to be a sympathetic tone to the animals and that none of the rescuers are arrested which would indicate Chinese officials realize the significance of animal welfare in a great civilization like China but probably unsure of the pace of implementation given the still large rural population.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Does silence on animal cruelty in the developed countries mean it doesn't happen? Because the China Daily points it out just means China is not as hypocritical as those outside that point the finger at China. It doesn't say it's worse than in other countries.
When those that say they care about animal welfare in China don't criticize or do nothing about their own, it means they don't care about animal welfare... period! Ever hear of lying? And their contradiction says they're lying.
When those that say they care about animal welfare in China don't criticize or do nothing about their own, it means they don't care about animal welfare... period! Ever hear of lying? And their contradiction says they're lying.
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Schumacher
Senior Member
You do realize the dogs rescuers in the story are Chinese ?
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Yeah. Hence why I said the Chinese are not as hypocritical than those outside that point the finger in denial of how they treat animals for food. And do you realise that everyone outside of China thinks they're not Chinese? Just like how the Western media thinks they're the ones that brought attention in China of the little girl run over by two cars and no one did nothing. There was already domestic outrage before the Western media picked it up. But they made it like Chinese people are heartless and absolutely no one did anything until the Western media brought attention to it.