And So It Starts. A Lesson In Insanity

chakos

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Thanks Gollevainen,

I wasnt in any way trying to make a anti-US remark. The United States has done a lot of good for humanity in the past and i am in no way taking away from that.

I was just curious of the mentality that seems to exist in the U.S. that doesnt seem to exist elsewhere inthe western world. The U.S. government has engaged in acts and foreign policy decisions that in any European government would result in the public voting the offending government out without a doubt.

What i have a genuine interest in is why the people of the United States do not think in that way and continue to support the government regardless of how blatantly wrong some of the acts that are commited in the context of international law.

That is what i was asking Utelore. No racist comment meant or intended.

Thanks
 

utelore

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no issue taken chakos. I think the U.S does show some signs of "empire" with its vast troop deployments. However the U.S is not activly governing countrys with those forces for the most part. The concern with the U.S resorting to its military so quickly is noted. HOWEVER we were attacked on sep 11th and will respond agressively when WE think it is needed. As far as the U.N.....The american public at least here in the Midwest dislikes Them. I believe Koffe Anan should be arrested for his dealings in the oil for food program. I think the U.N is incompetent and will not act when faced with a hard issue. I believe the U.S should remove itself from the U.N and form its own multinational entity. I understand the above comments may seem very right wing and harsh but that is the way I and many other americans feel and right now WE feel Iran is a threat to OUR intrests and safty here at home. If Iran continues with its nuclear weapons program and support of terrorist groups the U.S MUST and WILL respond with military force....the gloves were taken off after 9-11......cheers ute.
 

chakos

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Thats a fair call, although my issue is that when the United States decides to act outside the internationally accepted norm then it loses its moral authority to ask other countries from doing so as well.

Let me give you two examples. If Iran decides to attack Israel because it has built a nuclear arsenal (and no prizes for guessing what targets are in the crosshairs) then what moral authority does the United States have to ask Iran to back down, It is simply doing exactly what the United States is threatening to do.

Also, If China decides that Taiwan is an immediate threat due to some unforseen technological advance i.e. it develops a ballistic missile or some other kind of technology that China would find difficult to counter. If China threatens to attack then the United States has lost its moral authority to tell it to back down.

These are the issues that will no doubt be faced with in the future. The United Nations, regardless of its faults has managed to keep regional and superpowers from getting too close for comfort over the last 50 years. People have died and there has been corruption no doubt, but i would rather have 20 Saddams killing their own people and neighbours in lands far away than having two or more nuclear armed, powerful and advanced countries fighting a major war. Sounds almost cruel but in the end of the day third world dictators cannot seriously threaten human habitation of this planet. Superpowers fighting major wars can.
 

bd popeye

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Iran appears to be bound and determined to do what it please's with it's nuclear 'power' program. all sorts of sabre rattling and posturing has and will take place.

Yesterday a dozen of the top commanders of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps was killed in a plane crash...Humm? Coincidence? What gives here:confused: . I noticed that here in the US there was no mention of this in the mainstream news. I have all sorts of questions in my mind about what happened in Iran yesterday.

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Iran’s top military commanders die in plane crash
Mon. 09 Jan 2006
Iran Focus

Tehran, Iran, Jan. 09 – A dozen senior commanders of Iran’s elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) died in a plane crash in northwest Iran on Monday, a government spokesman announced.

A Falcon jet belonging to the IRGC crashed 13 kilometres southeast of Lake Orumieh, killing all 15 passengers on board. They included seven members of the General Command of the IRGC Ground Forces.

The commanders who died in the crash included Brigadier General Ahmad Kazemi, commander of the IRGC Ground Forces and a rising star in Iran’s radical Islamist military, Brigadier General Saeed Mohtadi, commander of the IRGC’s 27 Mohammad Division, Brigadier General Hanif, Director of Intelligence of the IRGC Ground Forces, Brigadier General Soleimani, Director of Operations of the IRGC Ground Forces, and Brigadier General Yazdani, Commander of the IRGC Artillery.

The Revolutionary Guards Corps was founded in the early days of the Islamic revolution in 1979 as an armed force loyal to Iran’s clerical rulers. Its commanders directly report to the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and their mission is to “protect and propagate the Islamic revolutionâ€.

Prior to his recent appointment as commander of the IRGC Ground Forces, Kazemi commanded the IRGC Air Force and Missile Forces. He was promoted in the recent reshuffle of the IRGC general command that was ordered by the Supreme Leader and was regarded as a loyal Khamenei supporter.

In a statement released in Tehran, the General Command of the Armed Forces said the IRGC plane crashed at 9:30 am local time near Orumieh Airport. It identified the cause of the crash as the failure of both engines. Earlier reports cited fuel shortage and bad weather as the cause of the crash.

Iran’s hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad praised Ahmad Kazemi and other IRGC commanders who were killed in the incident. He said the armed forces “must become symbols of resilience and honour by awaiting the return of the Mahdi [the Shiite messiah] and obeying the Supreme Leaderâ€.

The top IRGC commanders were on a mission to visit IRGC forces in north-western Iran near the Turkish and Iraqi borders.

The blow to the IRGC comes at a critical time when the force has been given huge powers by the Supreme Leader in the wake of the consolidation of power by the ultra-conservative faction after the election of Ahmadinejad, who is himself a former commander of the IRGC. Hundreds of Revolutionary Guards commanders have been given senior government positions. At least 13 ministers in Ahmadinejad’s cabinet hail from the Revolutionary Guards.

As part of sweeping changes in the IRGC, Khamenei recently appointed a radical Shiite cleric, Ali Saeedi, as his personal representative to the IRGC. Saeedi, who will act as the chief ideological commissar of the Revolutionary Guards, has already reactivated the dormant Political Bureau of the IRGC and has told the Guards’ commanders that the Supreme Leader wants the force to play a much more prominent role in the political arena.

A day ahead of the crash, sources close to the IRGC said in Tehran that further reshuffles in the Guards’ top command were afoot. They mentioned plans to promote Brigadier General Mohammad Hejazi as the new Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the IRGC.

Security forces in Orumieh have sealed off the site of the crash and many military commanders have arrived at the scene, according to eye-witnesses.
 
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