American Economics Thread

PiSigma

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In many big cities in US, even making low six figures feels like poverty level
That is because 100k/y is poverty in some places like in NY or bay area. It would be crazy rich in Nebraska.

Visual capitalist got a graph on income needed for 1% in each state, you can look it up. California, Texas NY needs like $3m/y or something while Wyoming Nebraska needs only 400k or something. I'm going by memory so probably wrong, but should be in ballpark.
 

HighGround

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So those complaining about inflation in US, you guys got it good. Sure beer and cheese is cheap in Europe, but everything else is cheaper back in NA.

USA has it good compared to the vast majority of the world. There are trade-offs of course. Healthcare is… a challenging situation for many.

I have lots of friends in Europe (and Ive stayed there myself for months at a time) and they genuinely have reasons to be upset by rising costs of living jn the last 10 years. Energy prices because of this war… it’s a legitimate hardship for many in Europe these days.
 

FriedButter

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There is next to zero chance the bank is going to pursue and track someone for $140,000 dollars. It is going to be written off and sold to a debt collector which is then eventually going to pass the statute of limitations. Usually between 3-6 years or up to 10 years depending on the state. However, how common is it for students to be approved for $140,000 in credit?
 

Serb

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Why do some copers say that the US has "strong institutions" and a "rule of law", whatever that tangibly means non-ideology-wise, as their last remaining economic/comprehensive advantage, when you have stuff like this too?




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Even those companies that are prosecuted are primarily small fry. The DOJ’s
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shows that 81 percent of corporate prosecutions in fiscal year 2022 involved companies with fewer than 50 employees. Only 7 percent involved large companies with over 1,000 employees. Leniency agreements went to large firms like Credit Suisse, Uber, and Stericycle.


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Production at U.S. factories unexpectedly fell in April amid a decline in motor vehicle output, data showed on Thursday.
Manufacturing output dropped 0.3% last month following a downwardly revised 0.2% increase in March, the Federal Reserve said. Economists polled by Reuters had forecast factory output rising 0.1% after a previously reported 0.5% advance in March.
Production at factories fell 0.5% year-on-year in April. Manufacturing, which accounts for 10.4% of the economy, remains constrained by higher borrowing costs.
A survey from the Institute for Supply Management early this month showed manufacturing regressing in April after growing in March for the first time in 1-1/2 years.
Motor vehicle and parts output decreased 2.0% last month after increasing 2.8% in March. Durable goods manufacturing production declined 0.5%. There were also decreases in the production of electrical equipment, appliances and components as well as wood products. But production of primary metals, computer and electronic products, aerospace and miscellaneous transportation equipment increased.
Production of nondurable goods dipped 0.1% as a 4.4% tumble in petroleum and coal products offset gains elsewhere.
Mining output fell 0.6% after dropping 1.1% in March. Utilities production increased 2.8% after rising 1.6% in the prior month. Overall industrial production was unchanged in April. That followed a 0.1% gain in March. Industrial production fell 0.4% year-on-year in April.
Capacity utilization for the industrial sector, a measure of how fully firms are using their resources, fell to 78.4% from 78.5% in March. It is 1.2 percentage points below its 1972-2023 average. The operating rate for the manufacturing sector slipped 0.3 percentage point in to 76.9% in April. It is 1.3 percentage points below its long-run average.
 

chgough34

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He's just referring to general energy use efficiencies in the last 40-50 years that have effectively flat-lined US oil consumption for the last 20 years. As well as the research, loans, and development of technologies that allows for the fracking revolution to occur in the first place.
Correct. And it’s largely only playing out now since the U.S. is now a growing net exporter of oil & gas.
Even if it isn't however, United States' refusal to take the energy transition seriously puts us on a serious backfoot relative to China, who is well underway and has all of the production inputs to transition (they're already transitioning).
Climate change matters less to the U.S. than China so China will focus on climate mitigation regardless of the U.S. property insurers in Florida going bankrupt is not on the same scale as Shanghai going underwater.
 

chgough34

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Plus part of it is the culture with the constant advertising which makes people feel they have to keep buying and spending. Coming from Europe or Asia, the amount of advertising in the US is really noticeable
Correct: the intertemporal choice model explains this. Individuals save money in order to hedge against the risk of potentially being unable to earn money in the future - the most obvious risk is aging, individuals cannot work when they are old; as well for disability, family crises, and unemployment. However, the fabulously efficient U.S. financial sector as well as the hypercompetent Department of Labor - Employee Benefit Security Administration implementing ERISA has made it so that retirement is a completely insurable risk through various kinds of tax-advantaged accounts such as a 401(k) and 403(b) where employees are able to deploy savings to the capital markets and fund the next generation of U.S. corporate CapEx across the entire risk-spectrum (depending on the employees risk preferences) - everything from water pipes in Philadelphia from the American Water Works Company, to data centers from Digital Realty, to software R&D by Microsoft, and IC design by Nvidia. This allows for employees to earn marvelous returns on their retirement savings when those savings are deployed for capital projects that will permanently increase total productivity into perpetuity. Health and retirement risks are similarly insurable - the massively innovative US financial sector has created affordable and mass-market life, health, and disability insurance products that are able to be uniquely capable of pooling and transferring risk in order to completely erase the need for households to save in case of family crises, disability, or health.

Finally unemployment - unemployment is simply an incredibly rare thing for white collar workers in the U.S. (see -
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). Thus, it’s simply not a risk white-collar office workers need to pay much attention to, and what’s more: since the U.S. has been a bastion of political stability and peace for centuries, much longer than any other country, there simply isn’t any cultural factor that necessitates savings or any inherent pessimism about the future. Unlike Europe which had WWI and WWII and the spectre of communism throughout the 20th century, or in Asia where it had the violent Japanese empire, WWII, and (again) the Cold War (Vietnam/korea) and then the 1997 AFC all across; the U.S. since 1787 has been a story of total serene peace on its homeland (outside of 2 census blocks in Hawaii on Dec. 7, 1941 and a geographically isolated civil war limited solely to uninfustrialized southern backwaters*) and 2% growth y/y and capital formation year after year after year for 2+ centuries. Obviously, this political history will cause Europeans and Asians to cautiously save in case of future risks but will cause Americans to splurge like there is no tomorrow because tbqh, tomorrow will come and it will be just as prosperous (if not more than today) into perpetuity so they don’t need to cut their consumption.

*obviously, the peaceful and serene political history doesn’t apply to black individuals in the U.S. who dealt with slavery and Jim Crow, and as Milton Friedman pointed out, black individuals have higher savings rates than white individuals at all levels of income (
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) but since black individuals are 13% of the U.S. population, it has negligible effects on national accounts
 
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