Almaz S-300: China's "Offensive" Air Defense

Baibar of Jalat

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S 300PMU2 according to newsreports have been delivered to China. Were these deliveries a legacy of a previous contract many years ago, or a more recent contract?
 

tphuang

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this is from 2006
MOSCOW, Oct 13, 2006 (AFP) - Russia is to supply China with
eight hi-tech anti-aircraft systems under a recently concluded deal,
but Chinese interest in Russian defence equipment could be tailing
off, a leading business newspaper here said Friday.
China's latest purchase is eight S-300 PMU-2 Favorit air defence
systems, the Vedomosti business daily quoted a spokesman for
manufacturer Almaz-Antei, Yury Baikov, as saying.
The systems are a new export model with a range of up to 200
kilometres (125 miles) and the capability of intercepting ballistic
missiles, the newspaper said.
The value of the deal was estimated at one billion dollars by
military analyst Konstantin Makiyenko.
China has been a major client for Russian weaponry, accounting
for 60 percent of Russian arms exports last year, which in total
were worth 6.12 billion dollars, the paper said, citing state
statistics.
Deliveries last year included five hi-tech submarines and a
naval destroyer, while China agreed to buy 38 transport and
refuelling planes, as well as a series of jet engines.
But China may soon be fully stocked with Russian defence
equipment and the only way to sell more would be through joint
development of new technology, the paper said.
"Experts warn that the purchase of a huge new batches of arms
from Russian producers by the Chinese is becoming less and less
likely. Keeping China as a major partner of Russia in the military
technical cooperation can only be done with joint work on new kinds
of weapons," the paper said.
With the latest contract, China will have bought 28 of the
Russian anti-aircraft systems, almost enough to cover all its major
industrial centres, the paper said.
In the naval sphere, Russia is about to transfer to China a
fourth Project 956 destroyer, meaning that China's navy will have
more destroyers than Russia's, which has three, the paper said,
quoting military analyst Mikhail Barabanov.
China's airforce is similarly fully stocked with Russian fighter
jets, the paper said.
"Militarily China is progressing at a fast pace and soon will
clearly only be interested in new types of weapons.
"In this situation Russia needs to activate joint work with
China on such new systems as a fifth generation fighter jet.... But
to jointly create new systems of weapons with a country that is not
a military ally is not simple," the paper concluded.
so, 2 PMU battalions ordered in 1991.
8 PMU-1 battalions ordered in 1994.
2 RIF sets in 2002 for 051C
4 PMU-2 battalions ordered in 2003.
Now, this announcement I think came after another announcement for 8 PMU-2 battalions.

Anyway, here was the most recent news
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Russia has delivered 15 batteries of S-300 surface-to-air missile systems to China. Officials from the National Defense Sector say the deal is unprecedented both in terms of cost and quantity.

The deal is said to be worth over $2 billion.

The S-300 systems will be used to defend the Chinese cities of Beijing and Shanghai against potential threats. The upgraded S-300 system is capable of hitting short range missiles and also fixed land targets.
 

rhino123

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Actually a silly question... but is there a way for the host country who sold missiles to another country had the capability to jam that system in future war? Something like a code or something?
 

plawolf

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In theory, yes. The holy grail of US and NATO (and everyone else for that mater) signals intelligence is to capture 'wartime' operating frequencies of potentially hostile assets. Once you have that information, its a big step in coming up with effective jamming codes.

Being the designer and manufacturer, you would expect the Russians to not only have these frequencies as well as have detailed data on the specifications and tolerances of all key components so they have scope to develop even more effective jamming and decoy methods.

There is also the possibility of writing in hidden codes into the programming of the systems themselves that causes the system to shut down or to ignore radar returns and show a blank screen etc upon receiving a special signal. That is one of the reasons why the British were so upset that the Americans don't want to give them the F35 source codes as they won't be able to check the integrity of the programming without the source codes.

That's the theory anyways. In real life, it tends to be a little more complicated. Just look at the Russian-Georgian war for a good example.

Maybe that's a case of the Russians being underprepared and did think to develop countermeasures or that the initial deployed planes just didn't have the kit to take advantage of any codes they did have (although the loss of the recon Tu22M would seem to rule this out).
 

RedMercury

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If I recall, the Georgian systems were upgraded by the Ukrainians. But this situation is a good reason why you don't buy important electronics from other countries. Only by having full control of source code can you have any confidence about security.
 

bd popeye

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I found this video of a S-300 failure.The failure comes when the second vehicle fires. Missile failures are to be expected. Nothing works correctly 100% of the time.

[video=youtube;SRHK8dvbwWA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRHK8dvbwWA&feature=player_embedded[/video]
 

Blitzo

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A pretty epic fail regardless. Like what you always see in movies.
 
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