Aircraft Carriers

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isthvan

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Well fortunately USN isn’t sinking all of helicopter carriers. Two of Austin classes LPDs have been offered to Mexican navy. While old these ships are still quite useful in humanitarian and peacekeeping missions.

Recently we are witnessing increasing interest for this type of ships. Even smaller navy’s like Ireland or Singapore are acquiring helicopter carriers ( ok Ireland is acquiring support ship whit limited helicopter capabilities) thanks to intensified usage of such ships in peacekeeping and humanitarian missions.
 

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isthvan, I think many nations do see the value of larger ships that can carry helos for humanitarian or even "Comando" or "Speical Forces" missions. I think the value of this type of ship was shown in the Tsunami relief efforts of the US & other nations in 2004-05. Too bad the PRC did not make a showing:(

Back to the Kennedy..I found this article...By the way the Kennedy has been sitting at it's homeport in Florida since May this year.:( Pitiful showing for the worlds largest navy....Shameful.

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Warner changes mind, backs decommissioning JFK

By Mark D. Faram
Times staff writer

The Navy is one step closer to decommissioning the aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy, and the green light to mothball the ship could come within weeks.

The news comes as Sen. John Warner, R-Va., tacked an amendment onto the current warfare supplemental spending bill that would allow the service to operate only 11 aircraft carriers instead of the 12 currently required by law.

“The purpose of this amendment is to revise the previous legislation such that the Secretary of the Navy can retire this ship,” Warner said April 26 on the Senate floor.

The amendment passed by a voice vote, according to the Congressional Record.

This change of heart comes a year after Warner used a similar amendment to stall the retirement of the 38-year old Kennedy by making it law that the Navy keep 12 carriers operating until six months after the Quadrennial Defense Review was released.

Still, a quick trip to mothballs is far from a done deal. The amendment requires approval of the House of Representatives and the President before becoming law.

Warner based his reversal, he said, on advice from the Navy.

“Subsequent to the legislation by the Congress and the law enacted, the Navy has determined that the USS John F. Kennedy ... in the judgment of the Chief of Naval Operations, is not qualified to perform her primary mission of aviation operations,” he said.

In short, he said, the Kennedy is not safe to operate.

“There are very real concerns regarding the ability to maintain the Kennedy in an operationally safe condition for our sailors at sea,” Warner said.

Repairing it is no longer a viable option, he said, as the price tag to restore the ship to a deployable status would cost “an inordinate amount of money.”

Also, it’s not just the cost of refurbishment that’s out of hand, he said. Simply maintaining the ship in its current state will cost the Navy $20 million a month in operations and manpower costs — money the Navy badly needs for operations and modernization programs.

The toll on the crew was also noted. Warner said JFK’s limbo status “levies an untold burden on the lives of the sailors and families assigned to the Kennedy,” he said.

Those families, he said, need to be able to get on with their lives.

As for the ship, Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Mike Mullen told Navy Times in February he’d like to see Kennedy gone as soon as possible. His preference would be she leave her Mayport, Fla., home port before the start of hurricane season in June.

Warner said the fact the JFK can no longer serve in the fleet is “painful” to him and others, mainly because of the ship’s namesake, the late President John F. Kennedy.

But even those who were closest to Kennedy seem resigned to the fate of the ship.

“It is bittersweet to know that she will be retired,” said Sen. Edward M. Kennedy in a statement.

“But the people of Massachusetts and the Kennedy family are very proud of her service and know she holds a special place in the hearts of the Navy and the Nation.”
 

DPRKUnderground

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I'm sure Russia has a SVTOL aircraft in the making. They want to cash in on the navies in Asia. Sell some planes to India, Thailand, etc. Most of their economy relies on the defense sector.
 

bd popeye

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DPRKUnderground said:
I'm sure Russia has a SVTOL aircraft in the making. They want to cash in on the navies in Asia. Sell some planes to India, Thailand, etc. Most of their economy relies on the defense sector.


Any idea what it maybe?:confused:

Remember that no nation beside the UK and US have ever sucessfully produced an SVTOL aircraft. I'm not saying no other nation could build one..it's just that no one has...We are all still waiting..
 

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The Russians fielded the Yak 38 and the cancelled Yak 141 as STOVL aircraft in the late 80's. Currently though, no other VSTOL aircraft other than the F-35 B and the V-22 Opsrey are indevelopment.

The RUssians did find export on their MIg 29K to india to outfit the Gorshkov.
 

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Check out this carrier I got a pic on my way to VA beach on Monday
It was pretty nice there, got sunburned.
What amazed me was how every 30 minutes or so you hear usually 2 to 4 jets (mostly F-18's, saw a couple of F-22s, and a Hawkeye) from Langley AFB or the NAS taking off and flying towards the ocean, they did it constantly for the 3 days I was there, the locals said it's normal for them to hear it they do that all the time... EVEN at night, talk about the trainning ;)
Anyways heres the only AC I saw while there (except for the Perry and AC near the horizon of the beach) while driving on Chesapeake Bay Bridge
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Looks like USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69)
 
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bd popeye

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Yep swimmer that's the "Ike". It just came back from an excersise off the VA coast...

IDonT mentioned the ill fated Yak 38 and Yak 141. What I was refering to was an fully operational SVTOL aircraft. So far the world has only see the Harrier and F-35B Lightning..Although the F-35B is just now starting production.
 

isthvan

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bd popeye said:
IDonT mentioned the ill fated Yak 38 and Yak 141. What I was refering to was an fully operational SVTOL aircraft. So far the world has only see the Harrier and F-35B Lightning..Although the F-35B is just now starting production.

While Yak 38 had limited performance thanks to limited payload and short combat radius AFAIK they were completely operational… At end of cold war Soviet navy had 143 Yak-38M devided in two combat regiments within the Northern and the Pacific Fleets with a smaller number in the training regiment within Black Sea Fleet…
I’m not implying that this fighter was in Harriers liege but joust that AFAIK it was operational…
 
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bd popeye

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isthvan said:
While Yak 38 had limited performance thanks to limited payload and short combat radius AFAIK they were completely operational… At end of cold war Soviet navy had 143 Yak-38M devided in two combat regiments within the Northern and the Pacific Fleets with a smaller number in the training regiment within Black Sea Fleet…
I’m not implying that this fighter was in Harriers liege but joust that AFAIK it was operational…

Thanks I did not know that! Kinda feel embarrased..Oh well.:eek: ..Just why did the Soivets take this aircraft out of service?????..It looks some what similar to a Harrier....I will have to check it's statistics. Thanks for the info.

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isthvan

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bd popeye said:
Thanks I did not know that! Kinda feel embarrased..Oh well.:eek: ..Just why did the Soivets take this aircraft out of service?????..It looks some what similar to a Harrier....I will have to check it's statistics. Thanks for the info.

It was seen as interim solution to provide experience in using naval fighters to Soviet navy… Aircraft had more then few problems whit small range and really small payload plus engines were unreliable and required much maintenance… While it may look similar to Harrier Yak-38 isn’t nearly as capable as Harrier. It was scraped together whit Project 1143 carriers…

Ps. Yak 141 video
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