Aircraft Carriers III


MarkD

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More like in 20 years, if the "significantly larger economy" that you meant is in a nominal GDP, instead of PPP.

Considering China and US don't use the same currency, PPP is a better measure than nominal GDP in US dollars.
 

XavNN

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Russia Designs A New Class Of Ship: Universal Sea Complex ‘Varan’
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Nevskoe Bureau said Varan is distinguished by multirole structure (unified platform), which can produce several types of big surface warships, including an aircraft carrier, landing ship, hospital vessel, and even a support vessel for the Arctic ⚓️
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Jeff Head

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The US is doing a good thing in making the two aircraft centric Ameica LHAs and two of the Wasp LHD into essentially Escort carriers, CSEs. The will be able to carry up to 24 F-35Bs and a couple of ASW/Rescue aircraft and 2 AEW type aircraft. this adds 4 carriers to the 10 large nuclear carriers and ends up with 14 which was the number the US had durning the first half of the of the Cold War.

And, there is already an excellent candidate for the AEW air craft and that is the EV-22 Osprey. It was designed and offered to the UK but they ended up building the Merlin oriented AEW helo which cannot go as high, does not carry as large or long range of radar. With the proliferation of such carries in the US, Japan, Korea, India, Italy, Spain, Turkey and elsewhere, there is a very potentially lucrative market for them. At least 2 per ship, and a couple of trading,and a couple ot for reserve aircraft for each country.probably a total of 60-80 aircraft before it was all said and done.

They would have the rang to be able to detect most modern attack aircraft carrying long range, air launched ASMs before they were launched. Very critical and something helo AEW does not have the range for.

In addition, another critical aircraft would be the SV-22 Osprey which has also been proposed bringing back the long range, heavier ordinance the US lost with absolute way premature, and, IMHO, opinion rediculose retirement of the S-3s. ASW is one of the critical needs of any carrier. The SV-22 would bring this critical long range and heavier ordinance back to all of the carriers, the CVNs, the CVs, the CVEs, and the Japanese and Korean, and other conversions of the Dokdo and Izumo vessels.

Here's two video showing the JS Kaga DDH-184 configured with F-35Bs and these other aircraft. Both are in 1/350 scale. One video of the carrier itself, and one videos of the entire CSG (Carrier Strike Group) arrayed around her.

JS Kaga DDH-183 with F-35Bs

JMSDF CSG centered on JS Kaga

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stan hyd

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The US is doing a good thing in making the two aircraft centric Ameica LHAs and two of the Wasp LHD into essentially Escort carriers, CSEs. The will be able to carry up to 24 F-35Bs and a couple of ASW/Rescue aircraft and 2 AEW type aircraft. this adds 4 carriers to the 10 large nuclear carriers and ends up with 14 which was the number the US had durning the first half of the of the Cold War.

And, there is already an excellent candidate for the AEW air craft and that is the EV-22 Osprey. It was designed and offered to the UK but they ended up building the Merlin oriented AEW helo which cannot go as high, does not carry as large or long range of radar. With the proliferation of such carries in the US, Japan, Korea, India, Italy, Spain, Turkey and elsewhere, there is a very potentially lucrative market for them. At least 2 per ship, and a couple of trading,and a couple ot for reserve aircraft for each country.probably a total of 60-80 aircraft before it was all said and done.

They would have the rang to be able to detect most modern attack aircraft carrying long range, air launched ASMs before they were launched. Very critical and something helo AEW does not have the range for.

In addition, another critical aircraft would be the SV-22 Osprey which has also been proposed bringing back the long range, heavier ordinance the US lost with absolute way premature, and, IMHO, opinion rediculose retirement of the S-3s. ASW is one of the critical needs of any carrier. The SV-22 would bring this critical long range and heavier ordinance back to all of the carriers, the CVNs, the CVs, the CVEs, and the Japanese and Korean, and other conversions of the Dokdo and Izumo vessels.

Here's two video showing the JS Kaga DDH-184 configured with F-35Bs and these other aircraft. Both are in 1/350 scale. One video of the carrier itself, and one videos of the entire CSG (Carrier Strike Group) arrayed around her.

JS Kaga DDH-183 with F-35Bs

JMSDF CSG centered on JS Kaga

Consider subscribing to my channel. I also have a eat video of a two carrier CSG for Japan with both Izumo carriers with more escorts.
Great video Jeff always enjoy them.

such a shame the UK didn’t go for the AEW EV-22. My hope is that if the Marines get them, we will embark them at some point first with the US Marines and then our own. The model of the DDH-183 is fantastic, it’s such a shame they won’t be going with the Ramp.
 

Jeff Head

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Great video Jeff always enjoy them.

such a shame the UK didn’t go for the AEW EV-22. My hope is that if the Marines get them, we will embark them at some point first with the US Marines and then our own. The model of the DDH-183 is fantastic, it’s such a shame they won’t be going with the Ramp.
Thanks.

With the Japanese and Koreans going with the F-35B, and potentially Ausralia, along with several others, and with us turning four LHA and LHD vessels into Escort Carriers, I believe there is a Google chance that the EV-22 will be reconsidered...and it should be.

With a couple of billion in the ship, another couple of billion in the air wing, and with a couple of thousand highly trained personnel aboard, we should absolutely jump at the chance to provide a platform that realistically has a chance to detect and have enemy aircraft intercepted before they launch their missiles.

The EV-22 would significantly out perform any helo based AEW in radar range, ceiling for flight, and range and staying power. Not at all as good as the E-2D, but the AEW Osptey is VTOL, which it must be on these decks.
 

thecheeto

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Thanks.

With the Japanese and Koreans going with the F-35B, and potentially Ausralia, along with several others, and with us turning four LHA and LHD vessels into Escort Carriers, I believe there is a Google chance that the EV-22 will be reconsidered...and it should be.

With a couple of billion in the ship, another couple of billion in the air wing, and with a couple of thousand highly trained personnel aboard, we should absolutely jump at the chance to provide a platform that realistically has a chance to detect and have enemy aircraft intercepted before they launch their missiles.

The EV-22 would significantly out perform any helo based AEW in radar range, ceiling for flight, and range and staying power. Not at all as good as the E-2D, but the AEW Osptey is VTOL, which it must be on these decks.
Merlin service ceiling is about 15,000 feet, whereas V-22 looks like 25,000 feet, so there would be a heck'uva difference in detection range all else being equal.
 

XavNN

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F-35B Landed Aboard Italian Navy Aircraft Carrier ITS Cavour For The First Time
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Two F-35B Lighting II jets landed aboard Italian aircraft carrier ITS Cavour (CVH 550) on March 1st, marking a first for the Italian Navy...

Departed on February 28 from the base of the US Navy’s Second Fleet in Norfolk, the Cavour ship has started the “hot” phase of the “Ready for Operations” campaign. The first landing of a US Marine Corps F-35B aircraft on the deck of the Navy aircraft carrier represents a fundamental step in the long and complex certification process for the use of the new aircraft.
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