Aeroplane procurement rates

King_Comm

Junior Member
VIP Professional
Actually SARH remains credible today. Look at all the excellent SAMs using that principle, like the Standards, the ESSM and the S-300s.

Though we don't know how exactly a PL-11B would perform, assuming you use an old AIM-7M as a baseline, that's still quite a potential threat. Of course, ARH is preferable, but still that is no excuse not to discount that SARH is still a threat.
==It's much easier to point your radar at the target sitting on the ground than flying around in a dog fight, and the effectiveness of any SARH medium range missile will be significantly reduced if the enemy has any sort of medium range missile, because as soon as the enemy fires a missile at you, you have to evade and not be able to illuminate the target for your own missile.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
ARH still requires you to have your nose pointed at the target because the missile still need midphase updates. It's only in the final stage where the ARH missile goes autonomous, and thus the differences are only in the final stage. SARH missiles have their own special advantage over ARH missiles. To the target aircraft, the RWRs only warn that he is being illuminated for the shot, but the RWRs cannot tell where and how close the actual missile is. In contrast, with ARH, the RWR can specifically warn the target if the seeker has gone live.

Even if the other guy has fired at you, you can still try to do some evasive maneuvers while keeping the target within your radar's FOV. Thus its good to have a radar with a large field of view. In any fight anyway, you really should never lose track of your opponent no matter what.

Using SARH---you can practice this with any flight sim---requires some experience and judgement. Basically, you should keep tabs of the seconds and note that after a certain number of second (lets say 10), either the missile have hit the target or it has missed, and you should consider abandoning it and allowing yourself evasive maneuvers. SARH is also particularly deadly if fired in ripples, like after three seconds from the first shot, you fire a second.
 

Scratch

Captain
I would say that currently SAMs using SARH are a different story.
I think one reason is that these SAMs use phased arrays at least for tracking and illumination. That gives you greater capabilities of simultaneous engagements and the ability to track further targets. I think that with AESA radars in fighers, SARH missiles might actually become even more efficient again. The greater beam agility of AESAs is also a point.
And SAM are stationary anyway, that means not being able to turn in a different direction at least in the final phase doesn't put a restriction on them, as it does on fighters controlling SARH missiles.

Of course SARH missiles still present a threat and you have to act to avoid that.
But I also think their disadvantage is even greater in engagements with even two opposing aircraft involved. Though you can try evasive maneuvers while keeping your target in the radars FOV, you have to look at it/ move roughly in it's direction until it's destroyed, hampering you from taking on another opponent.

In this case converting non-BVR capable J-8s into SARH-missile-BVR capable ones is of course an improvement though.
 

Totoro

Major
VIP Professional
Well, im sure in 10 years time most BVR planes will be fitted for ARH missiles. Against someone like taiwan the sarh equipped fleet is still very potent. Even with the new amraam delivery, taiwan will still have just some 500 ARH missiles for over 250 planes. (mirages and micas are a different category) That's less than 2 per plane. They would surely be using SARH a lot.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
It's not much of an issue anyway, since we can expect that a good number of the J-8Ds will be upgraded to the J-8F level and use PL-12.

Recent discussion on the JH-7A in the CDF indicates the type is being trained and exercised in air to air combat, including the use of medium range AAMs. Though not in the Su-30 league, any air to air capability on the JH-7A especially with PL-12 is still not good news for any regional defender.
 

yehe

Junior Member
I expect that China will need to produce J10 and FC1 in quite large amount and fast pace if it want to replace all the J-7s, let alone what's left of the J-6s in PLAAF. Since both aircraft's assembly line have been ceased with J7s production ended for PLAAF since last year.

Or maybe the PLAAF is gonna replace some of them with J8F?
 

nero

New Member
I expect that China will need to produce J10 and FC1 in quite large amount and fast pace if it want to replace all the J-7s, let alone what's left of the J-6s in PLAAF. Since both aircraft's assembly line have been ceased with J7s production ended for PLAAF since last year.

Or maybe the PLAAF is gonna replace some of them with J8F?


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china is also producing the JH-7A in large numbers.

any update on the procurement & export of JH-7A???


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Colt .45

Banned Idiot
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china is also producing the JH-7A in large numbers.

any update on the procurement & export of JH-7A???


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I read that china only has 20-40 JH-7A jets in service with the Navy. But I bet they will build more. :coffee:
 
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