Acquired the TU-22M "Backfire" Bombers

lilzz

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anybody come across recent articles about the chinese airforce acquired the tu-22m bombers prepare to encounter the potential japanese's navy superiority.
 

antiterror13

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anybody come across recent articles about the chinese airforce acquired the tu-22m bombers prepare to encounter the potential japanese's navy superiority.

when did you hear that ? I thought PLAN had rejected TU-22M3 even Russia has offered it to them.

Japanese navy superiority .. what have you been smoking ? .. Japanese navy is only for self defence. for offensive, Japanese navy is a big nothing
 

Gollevainen

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That big nothing, japanese navy, would easily rank number three in naval charts if it would have carriers or nuclear submarines. Whitout them it still presents worlds 2nd best escort and ASW fleet and clearly presents superiority over PLAN in fleet aspects atleast a decade so onwrds until PLANs modernisation beguns to bear fruit.
Perhaps you should check some basic facts before making harsh claims, based on one defence branches name solely.

So Tu-22m3 would theorethically come handy, but in reality it presents a kinda obsolete thecnology and there was some strategic issues that Russia felt worth of not to offer the system to china, att least what I remember...So it was just rumour based on speculation, nothing more...
 
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dannytoro

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Hello Mr.Golle!

Love your signature BTW. I remember I was trying to convince you of the utility of the Backfire when I was last here. With it heavy loadout of ASM's, it is ideal for attacking convoy operations. As you point out, even better against capital ships. I guess one has to weigh the capital investment into these clearly expensive to operate craft though. I recall the USAF spent tons of money keeping it's few B-58's flying.....
 

Gollevainen

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Well the proplem is that No one really prodices SSMs that are that big, so that smaller planes cannot use carry them instead. And it would be different task than with B-52, becouse Tupolev's trick comes in low level supersonic dashes, but I doupt that it would proven to be better option than like for example, modernised H-6, with newer engines. That sort of task that B-52s present would need more of endurance and playload, not the speed that Tu-22 presents.

But If china would produce a large missiles, then why not, thougth better solution would come from new, sthealtier platform. The concept itself isent useless or obsolete, but the planes and their thecnologies are...

Ps. About my singature, Those are real quotes that have came cross with my career as moderator. If the limit would allow, There would be lot more of those immortal quotes in my libary to post there...:) ;)
 
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adeptitus

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anybody come across recent articles about the chinese airforce acquired the tu-22m bombers prepare to encounter the potential japanese's navy superiority.

There is no proof of any PLA purchase of Tu-22M.

If there was going to be a naval conflict between PLAN and Japanese Navy, the only scenario I can see where USN wouldn't get involved is if they were bumping heads over some underwater gas field or fishery grounds and send patrol ships to scrape each other (like RN vs. Icelandic navy in the "Cod Wars") without any shots fired.
 

BLUEJACKET

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One currently prepared upgrade will cover the Tu-22M3 `Backfire-C', the service life of which can be prolonged until 2010. The modernised version will be designated the Tu-22M5 (the designation Tu-22M4 was used in 1990 for a prototype that never entered serial production); ..This upgrade will replace both equipment and armament; among others the Tu-22M5 will obtain a new Fazotron-NIIR radar enabling automatic terrain-following and avoidance. Also, the navigation and self-defence systems will be modernised, although no information is available about possible changes in the airframe or the replacement of engines. Such changes, however, are hardly probable.
The Tu-22M5's armament will be expanded by the subsonic Kh-101 (up to four) and Kh-SD (six to eight) cruise missiles. No information is available about other possible armaments, but the aircraft will probably also obtain supersonic missiles to replace its current Kh-22 anti-ship missiles (ASMs). One to three Kh-22s are now a basic armament of the Tu-22M3, used mainly as it is in countering capital warships. The missile has a range of 550km and a speed of Mach 3; it cannot be completely replaced by subsonic Kh-SDs. However, since the Kh-22 came into being as early as at the late 1950s/early 1960s, it makes sense to expect a successor to be carried in the Tu-22M5.
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Also, pl. read what I wrote about TU-22M upgrades in post #6.
If the H-6 can be (and is being) upgraded, why not the newer TU-22M2/3 for China's PLAN/AF?
 
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tphuang

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well, this is supposedly what the upgraded cockpit of H-6K would look like. Make a note, H-6K is XAC's private project. I'm not sure if it even received any government funding.
h6kcockpitcy3.jpg
 

Kilo636

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Also, pl. read what I wrote about TU-22M upgrades in post #6.
If the H-6 can be (and is being) upgraded, why not the newer TU-22M2/3 for China's PLAN/AF?


The production for TU-22M3 is closed. If inducted,getting spare not to mention new one will be a massvie headache! ;)
It will spell hell lot of money just to reopen the production line for TU-22M3. Plus maintaining these Tu-22M3 will cost another hell lot of money!
 

Totoro

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If h-6K is ineed privately funded project and itcurrently has only a few prototypes, it would make it more likely that those missiles we saw on the picture are nothing but generic looking dummy cruise missiles.
 
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