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I'm not so sure about the superiority of these Kidd DDGs over current chinese vessels.

Although they have a heavy AA weapons fit in the standard missile mk2, which is superior to anything the PLAN has. However the full capabilities of this weapon cannot be realised without the use of Aegis radar which the Taiwanese don't have.

Also in terms of anti ship armament i would say the Sovremenny class armed with 8 of the potent SS-N-22 supersonic anti ship missiles, which are so fast that it gives the target ship almost no chance of employing it's defences, is superior to the Harpoon equipped Kidds.
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The Kidds perform best out in the open ocean operating as part of a CBG, they will not be well suited to operating in a littoral warfare environment which they will encounter in an invasion scenario, by virtue of their size and lack of mobility which will make them an easy target.

Also the cost of operating these ships is massive both financially and in terms of manpower and this is probably why the U.S wants rid of them so much (they had already tried selling them to Australia and Greece).
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I think the Taiwanese don't really want to take these ships on, they would probably rather have Aegis destroyers but the U.S probably refused to supply this and so they have had to settle for the Kidds instead.
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SM-2 can take care of those sunburns.

These ships were designed to fight in the littoral environment of the Persian gulf. It can intrupt, frustrate, and destroy a significant asset of a CHinese invasion force.
 
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If enough ASMs are flying at it at once, the Kidds air defense would not be able to handle them.
 
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dont forget the Kidd's ECM and probably CIWS is better than anything the PLAN has
 
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depending on what source you use, China is using APAR on 170/171
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check the kvant section.

As for the specs on 170/171,

it's basically the following as I posted on cdf:
maximum height 30KM
minimum height 500 meters
maximum distance 120KM
minimum distance 6 KM
maximum speed mach4.2
missile length 6.8 meters
missile radius 0.47 meter
missile weight 1.3 tonne
missile warhead 180 KG+

radar search 450 to 500 KM.

according to fisher's article, the radar can track 150 aerial object. Although, I think I read that HQ-9 can only control 16 missiles against 8 targets concurrently.

just a note, 052C's ASM isn't so bad either, the range of YJ-62 is 280KM for lo-lo profile.
 
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well, 16 missles on 8 targetrs might be stretching it. the s-300 could direct twelve missles against 6 targets, but no one knows exacly what the hq-9 does. if the kidds do not have aegis, the 52c will have an advantage over tham, since the 52c;s are fitted with stolen aegis. both are about the sam in ciws, i believe. the kidd had 2 phalanxes, right?
 
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IDonT said:
SM-2 can take care of those sunburns.

These ships were designed to fight in the littoral environment of the Persian gulf. It can intrupt, frustrate, and destroy a significant asset of a CHinese invasion force.
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The SS-N-22 was developed in the 80's as the soviet counter to the Ticonderoga class cruisers (vessels which are superior to the Kidd class), their speed is what makes them so deadly. By the time the Kidds realise the missile has been fired at them they will barely have enough time to employ countermeasures let alone fire any SM-2s!
 
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The SS-N-22 was developed in the 80's as the soviet counter to the Ticonderoga class cruisers (vessels which are superior to the Kidd class), their speed is what makes them so deadly. By the time the Kidds realise the missile has been fired at them they will barely have enough time to employ countermeasures let alone fire any SM-2s!
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Kidds will be using the same SAM (SM-2) and the SPG 60 fire control radar. The only difference is that it is using a rail launcher and it doesn't have the Aegis battle management system. Before it was decommisioned it was given the NTU (New Threat Upgrade). Those sunburns will be shut down.

Having a high speed missile also presents another problem. You need to have a very fast processor because the missile it self will barely have enough time to acquire its target once it breaks the horizon. Can it tell the difference between a ship, several clouds of chaff, a Sea Hawk helo emmiting a radar signiture of the ship, and active jamming, within 30 seconds?

US has the technology to employ missiles with such speeds but it choses not to. Why, its called greater probability of target acquisition and destruction.
 
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