27 dead, in Kunming railway station attack

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Although Uighur is likely, I doubt sponsor or training. First this is terrorist in nature, but not necessarily foreign. The Uighur nationality has a long grudge against ethnic Chinese, and ethnic Chinese have visa versa so domestic seems more likely.

second if you compared the actions in China to even the attacks in neighboring countries with strict gun control like Indian you, would note the choice of arms in Chinese attacks are always knives, clubs and hand to hand weapons. The Indian attack in Mumbai used AK's the attacks in Pakistan use explosives and AK's. If these attackers in China could have left the country and gotten foreign terrorist training then why not bomb? I mean terrorist groups know how to make homemade explosives and detonators, and if they could sneak out of the country with ease to attend such terrorists camps then why not establish a gun running route? I mean the casualty rate would be much higher. Hence my doubt of foreign sponsoring or training.

I do feel sorrow for the family's of victims.

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This could also be a Tibetan terrorist group.

But I agree Uighur is more likely. The sort of attack against civilians far outside of own territory is a form of terrorism that is relatively new and modern, and not traditional to Uighur or anyone else. While Islamic fundamentalist groups are not the only practitioners of this sort of terrorism, they are certainly by far the most prolific and well known practitioners of this. It certainly seem likely that if it were carred out by uighurs, then the methodology, and possibly finer points of ideology beyond mere anti-Chinese ethnic resentment, is inspired from abroad.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Although Uighur is likely, I doubt sponsor or training. First this is terrorist in nature, but not necessarily foreign. The Uighur nationality has a long grudge against ethnic Chinese, and ethnic Chinese have visa versa so domestic seems more likely.

second if you compared the actions in China to even the attacks in neighboring countries with strict gun control like Indian you, would note the choice of arms in Chinese attacks are always knives, clubs and hand to hand weapons. The Indian attack in Mumbai used AK's the attacks in Pakistan use explosives and AK's. If these attackers in China could have left the country and gotten foreign terrorist training then why not bomb? I mean terrorist groups know how to make homemade explosives and detonators, and if they could sneak out of the country with ease to attend such terrorists camps then why not establish a gun running route? I mean the casualty rate would be much higher. Hence my doubt of foreign sponsoring or training.

I do feel sorrow for the family's of victims.

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You don't need foreigners to train you in attacking the public with whatever devices available. You just need to stay in contact with them to let them know the situation at hand and when is the good time to strike on the public.

omarbuzz said:

If the rulers of China do not avenge their fellow Hans they do not deserve to rule.
They must prove their worth as rulers by exterminating the Uighurs.

If Xi and the rest of the communist party/gang refuse to exterminate the Uighurs
they are inferior to Uighurs and must hand over Xinjiang to the Uighurs.

Land goes to those who are willing to fight for it, to kill for it!
The Uighurs are fighting, the Hans don't despite having an army.

The entire PLA should be sent to Xinjiang. Divide the population of Uighurs
the size of the PLA. The quotient is the number of Uighurs every one in the
PLA must kill!

After the Uighurs are exterminated then Hans deserve Xinjiang as
Americans deserve America after they exterminated the Indians.

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Hmm NO. Most Americans will probably admit that they are not particularly proud of what their forefathers did to the Native Americans. Also there were dozens of tribes who were also fighting each other. You don't exterminate an entire race because of a few bad apples otherwise you are no different than the worst mass murderers in history.

superdog said:

Police on street patrols are equipped with guns. If you search Chinese news you'll see front-line police in Kunming were equipped with low power revolvers to replace older guns with higher penetration back in 2010. Criminal police/detectives are usually equipped with Type 92 9mm.

But not everyone always carry their gun with them while on the job, depending on the situation and location. Some may feel they're actually safer without a gun, especially when they don't have enough training, as they won't risk losing it or getting stressed out when engages in low intensity physical contact with others.

I have no idea if the police on patrol in the railway station that day have their guns with them or not.

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I'm pretty sure most regular police in China do not carry any weapons. There was a famous incident of a man wielding a knife attacking a police station and killing 6 policemen. That would never have happened if the police were armed.

Police in China act more often as mediators than law-enforcement.

kwaigonegin said:

Hmm NO. Most Americans will probably admit that they are not particularly proud of what their forefathers did to the Native Americans. Also there were dozens of tribes who were also fighting each other. You don't exterminate an entire race because of a few bad apples otherwise you are no different than the worst mass murderers in history.

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What this is is faschist advocacy deserving an IMMEDIATE expulsion to show them faschists and talk of genocide are not tolerated here.

Those guys are dumb. Killing innocent civilians won't achieve anything, but only cause further mass crack-downs and manhunt by the authority. During those revengeful crack-downs, more and more innocent Uyghurs will be victims.

If they're smart, they would just do what the Palestinians did, winning the support of the world in the UN, not killing innocent people. Otherwise Israel will just bomb Palestinian over and over again.

Doesn't matter who's right or wrong, the victims are always innocent, they shouldn't have died. May they rest in peace.

solarz said:

I'm pretty sure most regular police in China do not carry any weapons. There was a famous incident of a man wielding a knife attacking a police station and killing 6 policemen. That would never have happened if the police were armed.

Police in China act more often as mediators than law-enforcement.

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You missed that those who were killed in the police station incident were clerical police workers and therefore not armed with guns, as explained by Shanghai PD. The security of that police station was questionable but you can't compare those victims to front-line patrols.

Don't forget that there are also many news reports about front-line policeman (not SWAT/PAP) firing shots when handling violent situations on the streets, including when a medical school professor was shot and killed as he tried to run away from a traffic stop and hit a policeman. Another one I could remember was that an off-duty drunk policeman shot a pregnant woman in a restaurant for no reason and was sentenced to death. There were also many other reports about police firing warning or defensive shots to stop violent crimes, if you search for it. Therefore, while it's safe to say that some police don't carry a gun when they're on low risk jobs, I doubt we could come to the conclusion that most police in China were unarmed most of the time.

Btw, some people may mistook "auxiliary police" as real police and get the impression that police don't have guns. These are common in places where they don't have enough funding to hire adequate amounts of policemen. The "auxiliary police" may wear police/security-guard look-alike uniforms but they're never allowed to carry a gun.

Verum said:

Those guys are dumb. Killing innocent civilians won't achieve anything, but only cause further mass crack-downs and manhunt by the authority. During those revengeful crack-downs, more and more innocent Uyghurs will be victims.

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I think this is exactly what the planner behind such attacks hoped for.

TerraN_EmpirE said:

Although Uighur is likely

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Relax, they'll find somehow a flag in somebodys pocket, like the last time when they found a flag in completely burned down car in Beijing

A Wholly inappropriate comment under the circumstances. Nor is the first time that your manner has caused offence on these boards.
You may take this as a last unofficial warning. One more offensive comment you will be enjoying a holiday.

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Rutim said:

Relax, they'll find somehow a flag in somebodys pocket, like the last time when they found a flag in completely burned down car in Beijing

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This is not the place or time for snide jokes and cheap point scoring.

It's times like this I really wish we had a 'dislike' button.