I’ll state it more straightforwardly. That tail damage looks like shrapnel damage from the plane barely escaping the proximity detonation of an anti air munition.
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I did not conveniently left them out, I simply stated that they are attacking it. Facts.
They do not control the effect of said attacks. They cannot control the effect of said attacks. And if they were actually afraid the Carrier might sink, they would probably not throw assets at it.
Therefore your argument is void. Iran is fighting an existential war here, your (and mine too) personal calculations are irrelevant. If the Supreme Leader of Iran was considered a valid target, I'm pretty sure a Carrier would be too.
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1. You do realize there is another KC-130 that crashed.
2. Iran or Iraqi militia obviously wouldn't be driving around a radar guided SAM battery, but we do know they use IR guided missiles and we also know they can fit pretty big missiles in unassuming trucks. The missile could have either clipped the tail of the receiving aircraft while homing onto the tanker, or a number of other configurations. We also know from videos of when they shoot down MALE drones that these missiles don't use proximity fuse.
3. This kind of incident has never happened before for a reason, it takes incredible amount of manoeuvring to get a second KC-130 to fly right below another without dropping altitude.
4. The crashed tanker had a crew of 6 which means they have 3 other pilots on rotation onboard, plus their entire job is to fly in circuits on autopilot. Tanker pilots with 2-3 backup are probably some of least fatigued pilots in the entire airforce, even less than some airline pilots. The probably of them getting fatigued to the point of flying right below another tanker is... low.
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Really not even a meaningful question. Iran has shown that it doesn't matter who gets assassinated; someone will take his place and Iran will fight on, sometimes more viciously than before.
I think you need to find out the state of the other KC-130 that crashed to make that determination don't you think?
It would also be nice to have high res photos of the one that landed because you obviously can't see any shrapnel holes from that resolution.
I don't think you quite grasp what it really takes to sink such a vessel. Even an old LHD has been proven a tough bone to pick during SINKEX. These carriers are designed with survivability in mind. It takes several missiles with sufficiently large warheads landing direct hits or large caliber torpedos to reliably sink a ship of this size and construction. You could probably expand a dozen of ballistic missiles before the ship starts taking on significant amounts of water.
So a single stray missile here and there would just take it out of the fight for several weeks and force it to evade. That's the gameplan. Sinking it isn't really in the cards, unless Iran acquired an Oscar II SSGN from somewhere.
Engagement is done with intent to kill anyway. Same missile which may cause maneuver kill can cause major nuclear incident, ignite aviation fuel fire or outright hit magazines and cause boom. You don't really get to choose with ASBM.
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If it took on shrapnel, especially at it's tail assembly, it wouldn't have landed at all. Not in one piece and not in a controlled manner. That's what makes it easy to make that determination.
Page 2, wall is irrelevant, israel visit took place in 2018, next year plotting his downfall (and Xi's).
You cannot kill an hydra, how many missiles until Israelis understand that. Has this masonic cult sh*t make them dumb? or what? The entire Iranian country has been built to work decentralized if needed.
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